DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ev wrote:DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ev wrote:DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Anderson signed his retirement contract. No motivation to be good anymore. Last year he was playing for a contract extension. Condon too. No urgency for these guys to give that little extra it takes to win. That said they're athletes and athletes hate losing. So the above post about car racing etc I don't think is warranted. Condon may have been a flash (see Hammond) and has been proven to crumble under pressure (see tenure in Montreal). Anderson simply put is well past his prime. But the problem isn't goaltending.
But the team sucks. Goalies out. Or forwards to goalies. However you want to see it. Too many old slow players well past their prime. Burrows could very well be the worst player in the NHL. Dorion rushed to extend players that were undeserving of the major contracts they were given. Phaneuf and Ryan contracts are crippling the team disabling them to sign good players. If we didn't have Phaneuf we would have Turris.
The season is lost. Best thing the Sens can do is try to offload some contracts without destroying the future. Ie: Smith, Ceci, Anderson, Phaneuf if you can. Move Ryan to LTIR so he can fix his fingers for good, White can play in his place, and the Euge can recoup some money. If Karl indicates he doesn't want to be here trade him. Re-sign Stone and Duchene, and build around them, Chabot and the prospects coming in.
Probably not. Turris was asking for far too much. We couldn't sign him regardless of Phaneuf.
I also wouldn't trade Smith. Great contract IMO.
$6M a year isn't too much. It's fair market value for a good 2nd line center. Remember, Brass has a cap hit of $5M on a front-ended contract that was signed many years ago. Adjusted for present value relative to the cap hit, $6M for a 2nd line center isn't bad now, and in 2-3 years will be a really affordable deal.
Smith doesn't have a bad contract, I agree, but the Euge is going to want to trim salary. Here's Dorion's problem:
Duchene isn't going anywhere
Stone will be re-signed
Brassard is a great value contract and won't be traded (right now)
Hoffman is also good value and probably shouldn't be traded (right now)
Ryan is unmoveable
Pageau is a fan favourite (but could be moved)
Burrows is untradeable. Worst player in the NHL
Pyatt and Thompson are low cost contracts. Could be moved but doesn't hurt to keep them
Dumont is a plug. Speaks volumes to Dorion's intelligence
Smith has a good contract but long-term we may not need him
Karlsson trade if he doesn't want to be here
Phaneuf is untradeable unless you take bad salaries back (Seabrook, Moulson?)
Ceci's value is pretty low right now, if not rock bottom. You essentially trade him so the fan base doesn't lose their $hit when the Sens re-sign him
Claesson is underperforming but can be moved
Harpur is underperforming but can be moved
Wideman probably doesn't get re-signed. Injured
Oduya better get traded or else
Boro is good value for 5-7 dman (I suppose)
Anderson is underperforming and overpaid. Contract is terrible.
Condon is underperforming and overpaid. Contract is terrible.
Not a lot of options for Dorion unless you start trading with other sellers to try and add pieces moving forward. But no other 'seller' wants our crap.
A lot of questionable and insulting comments you just made IMO.
"Dumont is a plug. Speaks volumes to Dorion's intelligence" That's just a silly statement. Dorion is a hockey lifer and knows how to evaluate players. Calling out his intelligence for claiming a low cost 4th line player? Who cares? That doesn't not "speak volumes" about anything. My god, fans overrated the tiniest of moves.
"Burrows is untradeable. Worst player in the NHL" lol, ok then. Worst player in the NHL is a huge overreaction.
Turris would never has accepted $6M here, and he's not somebody you want to pay that kind of money. He disappears for large stretches.
Anderson contract isn't terrible, it's market value for a top starter. IMO he will have a good year next year. Condon contract isn't terrible either, he's a backup with starter potential who is getting paid as such
If I were the Sens, I couldn't care less what the fans think when it comes to contracts and who I sign. Most fans don't have a clue about anything.
The majority of these comments were warranted. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. I went to the Chicago game and saw first hand how bad this team was. Not to mention the announced attendance was 14,000 of which I'd say at least 5,000 if not more of those in attendance were Hawks fans.
I can sit here and address the counter points you made but I feel as though I'd be arguing just for the sake of arguing. You have your opinion and I have mine.
The only comment that I will rebut is: "If I were the Sens, I couldn't care less what the fans think when it comes to contracts and who I sign. Most fans don't have a clue about anything". Unless you are buying 18,000 tickets a night yourself then I would agree with you. The Sens wouldn't and shouldn't care about their fans' opinions if they were selling out. Fact is attendance is crap because the fans do have a clue and are pissed off about a lot of bonehead decisions this franchise has made. There is a lot of information that fans aren't privy to, but the fans are what drives the team's financial success which given competent management would drive the team's on-ice success. However, if the fans are not happy then they're not going to buy tickets. That's exactly what's happening right now. I spent $150 the other night for two tickets, 4 beers, and parking. For a sporting event that's expensive but on par with league average. The fact that I saw the home team get blown out 8-2 was a complete waste of my time, not worth the investment, and I left with the feeling that I won't be going to another game this season.
Every season there will be bad nights. I went Friday and it was fantastic. I don’t think fans aren’t coming because of trades and signings made. It’s all BS to me. You are entitled to an opinion, and this comment isn’t directed towards yours, but not all opinions matter. The fans in this city have have terrible for the last five years and it’s appalling IMO