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PTFlea


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Yeah, the mac thing is such a shame. He'd have rounded out this top 6 so well.

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Mac can play, he just isn’t

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I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much. This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.

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Ev wrote:Mac can play, he just isn’t

Will he?

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tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will. If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.

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PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:Mac can play, he just isn’t

Will he?

No.

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PTFlea wrote:

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

Let me stop you right there. Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?


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wprager wrote:
PTFlea wrote:

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

With Duchene and Ryan? Sure. Who else are you putting there?

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PTFlea wrote:
wprager wrote:
PTFlea wrote:

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

With Duchene and Ryan?  Sure.  Who else are you putting there?

I don't know who you put there, my point was about the word "ideal".

Dzingle has a ton of speed but he's lacking finish and size. Top-liners need to either know how to finish or how to make room for their linemates who do. For that reason I'd put either White or even Chlapik ahead of Dzingel. And, of course, Smith, or what Smith was two years ago.


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PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

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wprager wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
wprager wrote:
PTFlea wrote:

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

With Duchene and Ryan?  Sure.  Who else are you putting there?

I don't know who you put there, my point was about the word "ideal".  

Dzingle has a ton of speed but he's lacking finish and size.  Top-liners need to either know how to finish or how to make room for their linemates who do.  For that reason I'd put either White or even Chlapik ahead of Dzingel.  And, of course, Smith, or what Smith was two years ago.

I don't mind Dzingel's finish. From in tight he's not too bad from what we've seen this year. It's coming in all alone that he has problems with - which sucks because he's so fast he gets breakaways a lot.

I don't really want Smith up there. Maybe White, we'll have to see how he does.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?

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PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

In the off season maybe. Can't see those moves happening during the year.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

No way is he available.

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PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

In the off season maybe.  Can't see those moves happening during the year.

Yeah I think Dorion will look to add this season. You kind of hope smith is one of the casualties because he’s replaceable at a much lower salary and better him than someone better. There’s gonna have to be moves because we are slowly coming up against the cap. Hopefully stone is signed long term at a friendlier deal than we imagine. As for Ceci I guess we will see(ci) Sarcasm
I could see him being retained or not. I think he stays this season but depending on where wideman, Jaros and Chabot wind up between now and the summer, he could be a worthy commodity to trade. The good news is for once in a long time we look like we have depth and can make moves that will ultimately bring back either picks or more depth. That’s the kind of team management that can keep teams competitive for a long time. But we have to resign our top guys.

3 long term contracts I want to see this summer before training camp. Karlsson, duchene and stone.

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

The ideal lineup would be...

Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - White
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

In the off season maybe.  Can't see those moves happening during the year.

Yeah I think Dorion will look to add this season. You kind of hope smith is one of the casualties because he’s replaceable at a much lower salary and better him than someone better. There’s gonna have to be moves because we are slowly coming up against the cap. Hopefully stone is signed long term at a friendlier deal than we imagine. As for Ceci I guess we will see(ci) Sarcasm
I could see him being retained or not. I think he stays this season but depending on where wideman, Jaros and Chabot wind up between now and the summer, he could be a worthy commodity to trade. The good news is for once in a long time we look like we have depth and can make moves that will ultimately bring back either picks or more depth. That’s the kind of team management that can keep teams competitive for a long time. But we have to resign our top guys.

3 long term contracts I want to see this summer before training camp. Karlsson, duchene and stone.

I tell ya...there's no way in the world they'll spend 4+ million on Ceci if they're smart. Not necessarily because he doesn't deserve it, but we have Jaros, Chabot, Claesson, Harpur and Englund pretty much ready to go. Besides Chabot, the only one with MAJOR value is Ceci, so might as well rip the bandaid off, trade him, let someone else pay him the 4+ million and replace him with one of those guys to save 3 bills.

Then you trade Smith and replace him with White or a different ELC and save another 2.5 bills.

Almost no choices in the matter if you want to retain Stone, Karlsson, Brassard (who I think might end up being a casualty), Duchene etc.

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We are about to enter cap hell.

Sens 2019/20 season:

Stone, Duchene, Karlsson: $26M
Brass: $6M
Hoffman: $5.2M
Ryan: $7.25M
Phaneuf: $7M
Pageau: $3.1M
Boro: $1.2M
Smith: $3.25M

10 players = $59M
2 goalies = $ $7.1M
Total: $66.1M for 10 players and 2 goalies

It means you need roughly 10 more players for $10-14M depending on the cap going up.

Hoff-Duchene-Ryan
Smith-Brass-Stone
XXXX-Pageau-XXXX
XXXX-XXXX-XXXX
XXXX

Phaneuf-Karlsson
XXXX-XXXX
XXXX-Boro
XXXX

Anderson
Condon

There is no way Ottawa can re-sign Ceci if they keep Smith or Pageau. Dzingel isn't even on the list above as he will be a UFA next off-season . I think you need to move away from Smith and Ceci, and keep Dzingel and Pageau. Even then your options are very limited. Most of this goes away if they can trade Ryan or Phaneuf without taking back (a lot of) salary

Hoff-Duchene-Ryan
Dzingel-Brass-Stone
White-Brown-Pageau
Formenton-Chlapik-Perron

Phaneuf-Karlsson
Chabot-Jaros
Englund-Boro
Harper

Anderson
Condon

Maybe they'll be able to let Brass go if Brown or White turn into 2C but that's too early to tell.

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