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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:10 am

    Yeah, the mac thing is such a shame. He'd have rounded out this top 6 so well.

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    Post by Ev on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:48 am

    Mac can play, he just isn’t

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:17 am

    I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much. This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:15 am

    Ev wrote:Mac can play, he just isn’t

    Will he?
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:18 am

    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will. If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by Ev on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:23 am

    PTFlea wrote:
    Ev wrote:Mac can play, he just isn’t

    Will he?

    No.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by wprager on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:17 pm

    PTFlea wrote:

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

    Let me stop you right there. Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?


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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:21 pm

    wprager wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

    Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

    With Duchene and Ryan? Sure. Who else are you putting there?
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by wprager on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:32 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

    Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

    With Duchene and Ryan?  Sure.  Who else are you putting there?

    I don't know who you put there, my point was about the word "ideal".

    Dzingle has a ton of speed but he's lacking finish and size. Top-liners need to either know how to finish or how to make room for their linemates who do. For that reason I'd put either White or even Chlapik ahead of Dzingel. And, of course, Smith, or what Smith was two years ago.


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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:34 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:45 pm

    wprager wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    wprager wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan

    Let me stop you  right there.  Your ideal lineup has Dzingel as your top line left-winger? You really think he can play against the other teams' top lines and top pairing?

    With Duchene and Ryan?  Sure.  Who else are you putting there?

    I don't know who you put there, my point was about the word "ideal".  

    Dzingle has a ton of speed but he's lacking finish and size.  Top-liners need to either know how to finish or how to make room for their linemates who do.  For that reason I'd put either White or even Chlapik ahead of Dzingel.  And, of course, Smith, or what Smith was two years ago.

    I don't mind Dzingel's finish. From in tight he's not too bad from what we've seen this year. It's coming in all alone that he has problems with - which sucks because he's so fast he gets breakaways a lot.

    I don't really want Smith up there. Maybe White, we'll have to see how he does.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:45 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:52 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

    I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:23 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

    I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

    In the off season maybe. Can't see those moves happening during the year.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:30 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    No way is he available.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:37 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

    I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

    In the off season maybe.  Can't see those moves happening during the year.

    Yeah I think Dorion will look to add this season. You kind of hope smith is one of the casualties because he’s replaceable at a much lower salary and better him than someone better. There’s gonna have to be moves because we are slowly coming up against the cap. Hopefully stone is signed long term at a friendlier deal than we imagine. As for Ceci I guess we will see(ci) Sarcasm
    I could see him being retained or not. I think he stays this season but depending on where wideman, Jaros and Chabot wind up between now and the summer, he could be a worthy commodity to trade. The good news is for once in a long time we look like we have depth and can make moves that will ultimately bring back either picks or more depth. That’s the kind of team management that can keep teams competitive for a long time. But we have to resign our top guys.

    3 long term contracts I want to see this summer before training camp. Karlsson, duchene and stone.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:00 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:I'm pretty sure when we roll into the playoffs (that's right), our third line will hopefully have Smith on it and he won't be counted on for putting up points as much.  This is, of course, assuming everyone's healthy.  

    The ideal lineup would be...

    Dzingel - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - White
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    I guess we'd like to add a winger, but I'm not sure if we will.  If we do, then White gets assimilated very slowly into the lineup and it looks like this:


    TRADE - Duchene - Ryan
    Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

    Simply can't say enough good things about Dorion going out and making our 3rd and 4th line so good.  

    I'm interested to see if Ottawa adds someone on an expiring contract or if they elect to add someone who can be on the team for a while. Dorion obviously needs to keep in mind that he needs to free up salary for Stone, Karlsson, and Duchene (and sadly Ceci).

    There are a few players that I think Ottawa would have interest in but it depends on how Dorion approaches the situation. Is he all-in on winning within the next two years or is he setting up for the future. You have options like Kane who are strictly rentals or you take a chance on underachieving, younger players like Duclair or Domi

    My question would be: who sits if you acquire a winger?  

    I think you look at giving up Smith. He can be replaced on L3 by White or DiDo. I think you look also look at trying to upgrade Ceci. Whatever Ceci makes on his next contract he will be overpaid. But that's a whole different story.  

    In the off season maybe.  Can't see those moves happening during the year.

    Yeah I think Dorion will look to add this season. You kind of hope smith is one of the casualties because he’s replaceable at a much lower salary and better him than someone better. There’s gonna have to be moves because we are slowly coming up against the cap. Hopefully stone is signed long term at a friendlier deal than we imagine. As for Ceci I guess we will see(ci) Sarcasm
    I could see him being retained or not. I think he stays this season but depending on where wideman, Jaros and Chabot wind up between now and the summer, he could be a worthy commodity to trade. The good news is for once in a long time we look like we have depth and can make moves that will ultimately bring back either picks or more depth. That’s the kind of team management that can keep teams competitive for a long time. But we have to resign our top guys.

    3 long term contracts I want to see this summer before training camp. Karlsson, duchene and stone.

    I tell ya...there's no way in the world they'll spend 4+ million on Ceci if they're smart. Not necessarily because he doesn't deserve it, but we have Jaros, Chabot, Claesson, Harpur and Englund pretty much ready to go. Besides Chabot, the only one with MAJOR value is Ceci, so might as well rip the bandaid off, trade him, let someone else pay him the 4+ million and replace him with one of those guys to save 3 bills.

    Then you trade Smith and replace him with White or a different ELC and save another 2.5 bills.

    Almost no choices in the matter if you want to retain Stone, Karlsson, Brassard (who I think might end up being a casualty), Duchene etc.

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Avalanche - Nov 10, 2017, 2:00pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:44 pm

    We are about to enter cap hell.

    Sens 2019/20 season:

    Stone, Duchene, Karlsson: $26M
    Brass: $6M
    Hoffman: $5.2M
    Ryan: $7.25M
    Phaneuf: $7M
    Pageau: $3.1M
    Boro: $1.2M
    Smith: $3.25M

    10 players = $59M
    2 goalies = $ $7.1M
    Total: $66.1M for 10 players and 2 goalies

    It means you need roughly 10 more players for $10-14M depending on the cap going up.

    Hoff-Duchene-Ryan
    Smith-Brass-Stone
    XXXX-Pageau-XXXX
    XXXX-XXXX-XXXX
    XXXX

    Phaneuf-Karlsson
    XXXX-XXXX
    XXXX-Boro
    XXXX

    Anderson
    Condon

    There is no way Ottawa can re-sign Ceci if they keep Smith or Pageau. Dzingel isn't even on the list above as he will be a UFA next off-season . I think you need to move away from Smith and Ceci, and keep Dzingel and Pageau. Even then your options are very limited. Most of this goes away if they can trade Ryan or Phaneuf without taking back (a lot of) salary

    Hoff-Duchene-Ryan
    Dzingel-Brass-Stone
    White-Brown-Pageau
    Formenton-Chlapik-Perron

    Phaneuf-Karlsson
    Chabot-Jaros
    Englund-Boro
    Harper

    Anderson
    Condon

    Maybe they'll be able to let Brass go if Brown or White turn into 2C but that's too early to tell.

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