GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:47 am

    wprager wrote:Incorrect? Why is Chabot even up with the team? Why is Harpur and Oduya playing while he sits? Afraid he'll make a mistake? They all made mistakes and will continue to do so.

    Harpur has been excellent . Chabot only missed last nights AHL game. He will be in the lineup next game

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    Post by wprager on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:49 am

    How can you say "Harpur is better right now"? Have you seen Chabot play?

    Harpur (2017-18): 8 games averaging 12:49, 0 pts, -2.
    Chabot (217-18): 6 games averaging 14:05, 3 pts, +2.

    The average time on ice is an indication of what Marc Crawford thinks, the games played is what Boucher thinks. The stats are the tie breaker.

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Oglethorpe on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:53 am

    wprager wrote: Wazzup How can you say "Harpur is better right now"? Have you seen Chabot play?  

    Harpur (2017-18): 8 games averaging 12:49, 0 pts, -2.
    Chabot (217-18): 6 games averaging 14:05, 3 pts, +2.

    The average time on ice is an indication of what Marc Crawford thinks, the games played is what Boucher thinks. The stats are the tie breaker.
    Chabot gets very sheltered minutes in the limited time.  Harpur plays much tougher minutes.  Watch Harpur, he has Ben very good, he'll be Ceci's replacement.

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:41 pm

    The debate shouldn't be between Chabot and Harpur, it's between Ceci and anyone else. He's atrocious and I am not sure why management continues to defend him.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:38 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:The debate shouldn't be between Chabot and Harpur, it's between Ceci and anyone else. He's atrocious and I am not sure why management continues to defend him.

    Because he isn't and has never been atrocious?

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:35 pm

    Ev, Ceci broke twitter last night. He's statistically one of the worst dmen in the NHL. Just about every advanced stat shows how 'atrocious' he is.

    “Cody Ceci since 2013-14: -580 in shot differential on a shot neutral team, -4% Corsi% impact on Ottawa (6th worst in NHL), -24 in goal differential on a goal neutral team, -5% Goal% impact on Ottawa (9th worst in NHL)"

    https://www.silversevensens.com/2017/11/16/16659280/dion-phaneuf-and-cody-ceci-must-be-split-up-ottawa-senators-nhl

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/cecico01-advanced.html
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:09 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ev, Ceci broke twitter last night. He's statistically one of the worst dmen in the NHL. Just about every advanced stat shows how 'atrocious' he is.

    “Cody Ceci since 2013-14: -580 in shot differential on a shot neutral team, -4% Corsi% impact on Ottawa (6th worst in NHL), -24 in goal differential on a goal neutral team, -5% Goal% impact on Ottawa (9th worst in NHL)"

    https://www.silversevensens.com/2017/11/16/16659280/dion-phaneuf-and-cody-ceci-must-be-split-up-ottawa-senators-nhl

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/cecico01-advanced.html

    Oh, twitter says he's terrible? He must be terrible then. Pro tip: don't bother reading Sens twitter.

    PS: I'm not saying he's good or great, to me he's an average NHL d-man who has been scapegoated. His advanced stats are skewed by his deployment and who he plays with /against.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by tim1_2 on Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:54 am

    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ev, Ceci broke twitter last night. He's statistically one of the worst dmen in the NHL. Just about every advanced stat shows how 'atrocious' he is.

    “Cody Ceci since 2013-14: -580 in shot differential on a shot neutral team, -4% Corsi% impact on Ottawa (6th worst in NHL), -24 in goal differential on a goal neutral team, -5% Goal% impact on Ottawa (9th worst in NHL)"

    https://www.silversevensens.com/2017/11/16/16659280/dion-phaneuf-and-cody-ceci-must-be-split-up-ottawa-senators-nhl

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/cecico01-advanced.html

    Oh, twitter says he's terrible? He must be terrible then. Pro tip: don't bother reading Sens twitter.

    PS: I'm not saying he's good or great, to me he's an average NHL d-man who has been scapegoated. His advanced stats are skewed by his deployment and who he plays with /against.

    Don't go and try to divert the issue to how bad Sens twitter is. The point is that Ceci hasn't been very good this year. The "eye test" shows it, as do the stats.

    The deployment of Ceci is a good point as he does get tough matchups. Maybe it's time to try something different since it clearly isn't working this year?
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:51 am

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ev, Ceci broke twitter last night. He's statistically one of the worst dmen in the NHL. Just about every advanced stat shows how 'atrocious' he is.

    “Cody Ceci since 2013-14: -580 in shot differential on a shot neutral team, -4% Corsi% impact on Ottawa (6th worst in NHL), -24 in goal differential on a goal neutral team, -5% Goal% impact on Ottawa (9th worst in NHL)"

    https://www.silversevensens.com/2017/11/16/16659280/dion-phaneuf-and-cody-ceci-must-be-split-up-ottawa-senators-nhl

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/c/cecico01-advanced.html

    Oh, twitter says he's terrible? He must be terrible then. Pro tip: don't bother reading Sens twitter.

    PS: I'm not saying he's good or great, to me he's an average NHL d-man who has been scapegoated. His advanced stats are skewed by his deployment and who he plays with /against.

    Don't go and try to divert the issue to how bad Sens twitter is.  The point is that Ceci hasn't been very good this year.  The "eye test" shows it, as do the stats.

    The deployment of Ceci is a good point as he does get tough matchups.  Maybe it's time to try something different since it clearly isn't working this year?

    He’s been better than last season
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by Ev on Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:38 am

    Also, Sens twitter sucks.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Canadiens - Nov 29, 2017, 7:30pm

    Post by wprager on Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:30 pm

    I don't think it was Sens Twitter with those stats. But I think the part where he said "shot neutral team" can't be right.

    I've been a fairly strong defender of Ceci fur a while. I don't think he's doing as well as his deployment indicates (minutes and zone starts) but he's not as bad as Twitter thinks. But last game was pretty bad. And ice time indicates the coaches agreed. First period he had about a minute more ice time than Karlsson. By the end of the game he dropped to third on the team.


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