GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:38 pm

    By the same note, how many potential FAs stayed due to him.

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:58 pm

    wprager wrote:This is all 2 day old news. Today Dean said that the players (including Karlsson) were asked for their acceptable trade teams September, as is common for all teams. However this may have been the first time Karlsson has been asked. Everyone is taking because they think the team *just* asked everyone as a consequence of the losing streak.

    That said, a trade is very possible if they don't start winning.

    As for replacing Karlsson, if it comes to that, we have Chabot and we may get Dahlen.
    Lets not even go there. Remember how Buffalo had McDavid? Yeah....

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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:59 pm

    Ev wrote:
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    Ev wrote:Im fully on board team trade Karlsson now.

    The team would be far better off using 12 million to split over two players.

    Seems like the wrong thread for this....I dunno, I'd want to see the return we'd get. I'd maybe trade him if we got an incredible young d-man in return, plus a couple other BIG assets, but I think I'd much rather sign him.

    I think theres a bigger loss not factored in losing kalrsson and thats loosing a generational talent in Ottawa. It could easily signal an exodus out of the franchise. Its not just loosing a player but also a big reason for other players to be in Ottawa. I am extremely against trading him. The return would have to be in the realm of the Lindros trade. Several blue chip sure fire prospects. Something that would blow any trade out of the water in the last 20 years. And that aint happening.

    Don't see how that's true at all. If that's true, we'd have a lot more free agent signings.
    remember the budget?
    Also I meant it as it might not give incentive for current players to remain long term.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:02 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:By the same note, how many potential FAs stayed due to him.

    Yeah because as of the past 10 years the elite stars of the game have been winning Stanley cups. Crosby, patty Kane and Toews. Ovechkin didnt but I think it can be argued that having elite talent on your team gets you that much closer to winning the cup in the end.
    Having Karlsson certainly helps getting players believing that.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:16 pm

    This is so bad its almost comical. Hard to believe we made the eastern conference finals.
    Maybe Melnyk just wants to switch Karlsson for Dahlin and save some cash...
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:25 pm

    This is a special kind of suck.
    Goaltending is terrible This year. Everything is terrible.

    Its to the point where you dont even know how this winds up getting fixed.
    There is a disconnect in the effort out there and the effort needed. This team has quit.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by wprager on Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:42 pm

    This has to be the worst slump I've ever seen from this team.


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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:37 pm

    The team has quit on Boucher. It's over, we've seen it before. Fire him tonight.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:53 pm

    PTFlea wrote:The team has quit on Boucher. It's over, we've seen it before. Fire him tonight.

    At this stage I would get rid of players. So Boucher coached us to the final 4 and suddenly the players quit on him? The more they quit, the more we lose. Whos the real problem?
    I saw too many players trying to do too much. Duchene with great plays that lead nowhere because he tries to do it on his own.
    Just guys trying to redeem themselves. But not working as a unit.
    Thats why I wonder if or what can be done. Its the team play that is off. Some guys disappear or quit aponce we start loosing and some other players just try to overcompensate by themselves. That not the recipe for success.

    Tell you one thing, duchene will walk. No way is he resigning in this mess this summer. He stunk last year and now hes not improving any value he has. Hes gone.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by PTFlea on Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:14 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:The team has quit on Boucher. It's over, we've seen it before. Fire him tonight.

    At this stage I would get rid of players. So Boucher coached us to the final 4 and suddenly the players quit on him? The more they quit, the more we lose. Whos the real problem?
    I saw too many players trying to do too much. Duchene with great plays that lead nowhere because he tries to do it on his own.
    Just guys trying to redeem themselves. But not working as a unit.
    Thats why I wonder if or what can be done. Its the team play that is off. Some guys disappear or quit aponce we start loosing and some other players just try to overcompensate by themselves. That not the recipe for success.

    Tell you one thing, duchene will walk. No way is he resigning in this mess this summer. He stunk last year and now hes not improving any value he has. Hes gone.

    The knee-jerk reaction is to hang the coach, the common sense reaction is to let them sort it out and if we miss the playoffs, so be it. They're too talented to be this crappy. Buffalo is on a whole different plain of suck. They're awful.

    Karlsson needs to wake up soon for one. And perhaps this team needs to shift towards youth a little this summer. Not sure anymore, but I'll let the hockey gods handle all this. It gets too stressful.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:19 am

    Might miss the playoffs? Were 29th in the league. I think we are D-D-D-Done
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:20 am

    At this point the only joy we may get is drafting Dahlin. And even then Im sure the sens will start winning in the last bit of the season and pull out of the bottom 5
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Ev on Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:53 am

    Karlsson is not the guy you want leading your team imo
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Oglethorpe on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:13 am

    Ev I disagree after watching last years playoffs. The margins are so tight in the league now that we are not really that far from being very good. This season is an outlier. Best player recovering from injury, goaltending is brutal, turnover on the backend due to expansion and long term injury along with off years from almost every forward.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Ev on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:20 am

    Oglethorpe wrote:Ev I disagree after watching last years playoffs. The margins are so tight in the league now that we are not really that far from being very good. This season is an outlier. Best player recovering from injury, goaltending is brutal, turnover on the backend due to expansion and long term injury along with off years from almost every forward.

    I do think this is an outlier

    But Karlsson as a person. Not a fan.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by tim1_2 on Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:52 am

    PTFlea wrote:The team has quit on Boucher. It's over, we've seen it before. Fire him tonight.

    No thanks. We've had something dumb like 7 coaches in 10 years. Enough with the cheap out of blaming and firing the coach. Diddle that. This group of idiot players is the issue. If you want to fire someone, it's Dorion that should be canned, but that solves nothing either in the short term.


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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Ev on Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:27 am

    I hate all the comments about Boucher being a one season wonder. He's literally had one job and had piss poor players on Tampa.
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    Re: GDT: Senators @ Sabres - Dec 12, 2017, 7:00PM

    Post by Oglethorpe on Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:32 am

    I don't get the Dorion hate. The only two things that bother me are the Burrows 2 year extension and re-signing Anderson too early in the year.

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