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GDT: Senators @ Bruins - Dec 27, 2017, 7:00pm

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Ev


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Hoffman needs to be moved. Simple as that. Too lazy for a guy who doesn’t even score that much

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I’d move Hoffman Pageau and Ceci

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Ev wrote:Hoffman needs to be moved. Simple as that. Too lazy for a guy who doesn’t even score that much

Yeah, I'd be OK with that. He has shown that he just isn't willing or able to change his game at all. He's a perimeter player who doesn't hit his shot that often.

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tim1_2 wrote:
Ev wrote:Hoffman needs to be moved. Simple as that. Too lazy for a guy who doesn’t even score that much

Yeah, I'd be OK with that.  He has shown that he just isn't willing or able to change his game at all.  He's a perimeter player who doesn't hit his shot that often.

Why on earth would you move Pageau? He’s one of our true heart and soul players. I don’t think would be huge for Pageau, certainly not worth trading him compared to what he brings.

Hoffman I could get behind that trade if the return is solid. Smith sure. Ceci, i expect it!

But not Pageau.

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Pageau is paid too much going forward. 3.3next year then 3.4.   He’s a nice piece on a competitive team as a 3/4 centre but he will be blocking White and Brown moving forward.

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Maybe White would be better as a winter anyway.


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But we have to move one of Smith or Pageau. Pageau kills the Habs, so he gets my vote.


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Oglethorpe wrote:Pageau is paid too much going forward. 3.3next year then 3.4.   He’s a nice piece on a competitive team as a 3/4 centre but he will be blocking White and Brown moving forward.
If Brassard gets moved we’ll be happy to have Pageau.

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Brassard is making $3.5M (actual salary). He's not getting moved. Pageau is a great 3LC who can elevate his game (when he plays the Habs or scores 4 on Lundqvist); he can fill in as a 2LC on a short-term basis, but he is not a full-time 2LC. Given how he also kills penalties and hits, yeah, we'll be happy to have him, but as a 3LC.


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Was listening to TSN690 on the way in this morning. I haven't realized that Pacioretty has 1 goal in his last 20 games. I know the guy is streaky but, man. They think it's because of the 'C', although one of the guys did agree with me, saying he can't score if the D can't move the puck to him. Whether carrying it out or a nice tape-to-tape pass when he's in full flight, they are missing that component of their game something awful. I'm sure a guy like PK or Markov or Beaulieu or Sergachev could help.

Anyhow, another interesting thing they mentioned (which I also agree with) is that in today's NHL you can no-longer get away with two scoring lines, one checking/shut-down line and an energy line. Guys like Dumont, Pyatt, Thompson, DiDomenico, Burrows and even, to a lesser extent, Smith, are best suited for those bottom-six roles from '90s hockey. You need *some* players like that (so long as they bring other necessary skills like killing penalties, taking draws, etc.) but you don't need six of them.

So don't bring up a guy like Chlapik and then put him on the 4th line with Burrows and Thompson. You don't need am *energy* line and you certainly don't want a guy who led his team in every offensive category while also leading in PIMs to just be an energy guy who plays 8 minutes.


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It'd be great to roll 3 or 4 lines that could score, we just don't have the guys on entry-level contracts right now that can do that (or a coach willing to play them). Maybe when White/Batherson/Formenton/Brown/etc are ready to step up...maybe two years from now.

I think Pyatt has proved he's a valuable bottom 6 guy. Smith hasn't really been himself this year at all. I think a spot that a guy like Dumont is taking should just be a rotation in of guys from Belleville for the rest of the year.

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wprager wrote:Brassard is making $3.5M (actual salary).  He's not getting moved.  Pageau is a great 3LC who can elevate his game (when he plays the Habs or scores 4 on Lundqvist); he can fill in as a 2LC on a short-term basis, but he is not a full-time 2LC.  Given how he also kills penalties and hits, yeah, we'll be happy to have him, but as a 3LC.  

Well depending on how we approach the next two years. Yeah I agree that ideally Pageau isn’t more than a great 3rd line C. But if we do go through a mini rebuild then we could survive having Pageau centering the second line until Brown or white take it over.

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I think only a retool it's needed. Andy will rebound like he always does, Karlsson will return to form after a summer of training and over his surgery, Oduya will be gone, a couple of players will be waived or bought out. Brady Tkachuk will push guys like White and Brown and Chlapik. Good times ahead.


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wprager wrote:I think only a retool it's needed. Andy will rebound like he always does, Karlsson will return to form after a summer of training and over his surgery, Oduya will be gone, a couple of players will be waived or bought out. Brady Tkachuk will push guys like White and Brown and Chlapik. Good times ahead.

See I completely agree with you but that’s only if we manage to retain kalrsson and duchene. Do you want to go into next season with uncertainty over those two guys? That’s a major gamble. Maybe it’s worth it though. Maybe if they do have a good year both will want to resign. Maybe the ownership situation looks completely different one year from now also.

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