Who's The First To Go (And Where)

Oglethorpe wrote:Teams that can fit in Tavares next year:

Toronto - Plenty of space even with Matthews coming up after next season.
Comment: Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Nylander all need raises. Probaly at least $25M right there in re-signs. They're also atrocious of defence. Matthews already stating he wants close to max.

Montreal - More cap space than brains with Bergevin (and they should put down 14M per as he is what they have been trying to get for years).
Comment: Agreed. Good fit and definitely a need. But high taxes and he's a Toronto boy. But he's probably buds with Price. So who knows.

Dallas - Not sure if it's a great fit but its a no tax state
Comment: Yupp. Not sure if it's a great fit but it does have some logic to it.

Boston - Not really a fit as they have PB and Kreji locked up long term but Kreji has been a bit of a question mark with his health lately.
Comment: too many up and coming players that will need to be re-signed in the short term. Plus as you mentioned PB and K are already there.

Vancouver - Good Bye Henrik and Daniel, Hello JT
Comment: I see Van as a logical place for Karlsson to be honest. They need defence in the worst way there.

Rangers - I expect them to be a major player if he doesn't do the expected and re-up with NYI.
Comment: Agreed. Losing Nash opens the door for sure. And hard to say no to that NY lifestyle.

Philly - Wouldn't be shocked if they sniff around, even if to hurt both NY clubs
Comment: They can't sign him, they would need to move salary.

There are others, but I think these would be the main players.
Comment: Agreed

Flo The Action wrote:I think it makes incredible sense to add Tavares and that’s likely why it won’t happen. This team won’t have two 12 mill players on their roster on top of 4 more in the 7 mill range (phaneuf, Ryan, stone and duchene). You’d have to shed phaneuf contract and boby’s For anything like that to happen. And it won’t .
I’m a little pessimistic also, I don’t believe we’ll retain both kalrsson and duchene. Duchene is the most likely to go. Things haven’t been very fun this season for the Sens. Why would he sign an extention this summer?
If we manage to sign him it will be before the trade deadline next year and that’s only if the team has a fantastic start to the season and we once again look like contenders by then. But that won’t happen unless we do a serious retool.

Oglethorpe wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I think it makes incredible sense to add Tavares and that’s likely why it won’t happen. This team won’t have two 12 mill players on their roster on top of 4 more in the 7 mill range (phaneuf, Ryan, stone and duchene). You’d have to shed phaneuf contract and boby’s For anything like that to happen. And it won’t .
I’m a little pessimistic also, I don’t believe we’ll retain both kalrsson and duchene. Duchene is the most likely to go. Things haven’t been very fun this season for the Sens. Why would he sign an extention this summer?
If we manage to sign him it will be before the trade deadline next year and that’s only if the team has a fantastic start to the season and we once again look like contenders by then. But that won’t happen unless we do a serious retool.

Fans have to wrap their heads around the fact Ottawa will never be getting the Top FAs unless there is a family/home sickness reason.  With the taxes in Ontario, combined with a small market and the winters here it just isn't a destination even if we overpay a little.  This doesn't bother me because its true for 2/3rds of the teams in the league for one reason or another.

Flo The Action wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I think it makes incredible sense to add Tavares and that’s likely why it won’t happen. This team won’t have two 12 mill players on their roster on top of 4 more in the 7 mill range (phaneuf, Ryan, stone and duchene). You’d have to shed phaneuf contract and boby’s For anything like that to happen. And it won’t .
I’m a little pessimistic also, I don’t believe we’ll retain both kalrsson and duchene. Duchene is the most likely to go. Things haven’t been very fun this season for the Sens. Why would he sign an extention this summer?
If we manage to sign him it will be before the trade deadline next year and that’s only if the team has a fantastic start to the season and we once again look like contenders by then. But that won’t happen unless we do a serious retool.

Fans have to wrap their heads around the fact Ottawa will never be getting the Top FAs unless there is a family/home sickness reason.  With the taxes in Ontario, combined with a small market and the winters here it just isn't a destination even if we overpay a little.  This doesn't bother me because its true for 2/3rds of the teams in the league for one reason or another.

I believe that’s true, right up until it isn’t.
I think you wiggle the right amount of cash in front of someone and show you’re a real contender then show you will spend to win and you could get a top FA.
Of course there’s a couple of those things we can’t do right now...

Oglethorpe wrote:You couldn’t offer enough money to Tavares to make him come to Ottawa.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:To Tampa: Karlsson
To Ottawa: Point, Koekkoek, Raddysh, 2 1st rd picks

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Honestly, if the sense is that Karlsson isn't going to re-sign (which appears to be growing everyday) I would trade him now and get max value back. Get some picks, high-end prospects, and rebuild. By the time we are good again in 3-4 years Karlsson will be beginning his decline, we'll be out of the Ryan/Phaneuf contracts and our prospects will hopefully have been developed by then.

Oglethorpe wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:To Tampa: Karlsson
To Ottawa: Point, Koekkoek, Raddysh, 2 1st rd picks

Umm I think Yzerman might piss himself from laughing too hard. Try Point a lesser prospect and a 1st.

Ev wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:To Tampa: Karlsson
To Ottawa: Point, Koekkoek, Raddysh, 2 1st rd picks

Umm I think Yzerman might piss himself from laughing too hard. Try Point a lesser prospect and a 1st.

It would take Point + Sergachev + 1st minimum

Ev wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:To Tampa: Karlsson
To Ottawa: Point, Koekkoek, Raddysh, 2 1st rd picks

Umm I think Yzerman might piss himself from laughing too hard. Try Point a lesser prospect and a 1st.

It would take Point + Sergachev + 1st minimum

Oglethorpe wrote:

Ev wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:To Tampa: Karlsson
To Ottawa: Point, Koekkoek, Raddysh, 2 1st rd picks

Umm I think Yzerman might piss himself from laughing too hard. Try Point a lesser prospect and a 1st.

It would take Point + Sergachev + 1st minimum

From Tampa’s perspective that is an overpay.

Oglethorpe wrote:No Way too much risk with Karlsson to pay that much. Somebody will overpay but it won’t be Tampa, Yzerman is smart and knows he needs those ELCs to manage the next Kucherov contract.