Who's The First To Go (And Where)

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    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:09 pm

    I can’t help but feel like the org is preparing to trade karlsson before next year as the dialogue around the org seems to be cantered around “drafting” and “scouting” which signals they are leaning towards a rebuild.

    I hope a full story some how breaks out in the end of how it has played itself out.

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    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:28 pm

    Well there you have it folks. First one to go. So we have traded phaneuf’s Cap hit plus retaining 25% of his salary for Gaborik. So do they think Gaborik will remain on the IR or actually retire? Because isn’t that pretty much the same salary for us now going forward?
    I think we did LA a solid right there. Maybe Gaborik can still help us out. But if history serves, he won’t be playing much games. Maybe Ryan can now have a buddy to watch games from the press box when they’re injured.

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    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:30 pm

    Not that phaneuf was a key piece to this team but does this accelerate our race to the bottom?

    Maybe phaneuf was brought in to advice Doughty against jumping ship to the leafs.
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    Post by PTFlea on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:27 pm

    They save a fair bit on a buyout of gaborik. Sounds like 8 million. Cap too
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    Post by PTFlea on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:34 pm

    I was a fan of Phaneuf last year, but he lost a step this year.
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    Re: Who's The First To Go (And Where)

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:14 am

    PTFlea wrote:They save a fair bit on a buyout of gaborik.  Sounds like 8 million.  Cap too

    If they go the buy out route.
    They probably save even more if he stays on IR.
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    Post by wprager on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:33 am

    Is he on the IR, though? He's been a healthy scratch for a couple games but not listed on the TSN injuries page.


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    Re: Who's The First To Go (And Where)

    Post by wprager on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:35 am

    They save less with this trade than buying out Phaneuf, so they will probably buy out Gaborik.

    Or maybe trade him, retaining dinner of his salary.

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    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:17 am

    wprager wrote:They save less with this trade than buying out Phaneuf, so they will probably buy out Gaborik.

    Or maybe trade him, retaining dinner of his salary.

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    We got lucky by trading phaneuf. He was still a useful player though. Not for that salary. Which explains why we retained salary. At 5.25 he might still be decent with a team with good D and that can still contend like LA.

    On Gaborik, I’m not sure we can get rid of him. I’m sure he’s someone that LA has tried to dump for ages.
    I think we either buy him or we’ve got another Bobby on our hand.
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    Re: Who's The First To Go (And Where)

    Post by Lagoon on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:53 am

    Purely financial it looks like to me when you look at actual dollars Eugene has to pay now, versus prior to the trade. My quick calculations are a savings of just under 5 million over the life of the 4 contracts.

    I would have been happier not giving away Thompson, but Shore is comparable.


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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:18 am

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    wprager wrote:They save less with this trade than buying out Phaneuf, so they will probably buy out Gaborik.

    Or maybe trade him, retaining dinner of his salary.

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    We got lucky by trading phaneuf. He was still a useful player though. Not for that salary. Which explains why we retained salary. At 5.25 he might still be decent with a team with good D and that can still contend like LA.

    On Gaborik, I’m not sure we can get rid of him. I’m sure he’s someone that LA has tried to dump for ages.
    I think we either buy him or we’ve got another Bobby on our hand.

    Gaborik is on a front-loaded contract. ~$4.5M next year and roughly $3M the two years after. It's a relatively cheap buyout or can be buried on the third line. If the Sens can flip him I imagine they will but if he doesn't want to play in Ottawa for whatever reason he can always retire.

    I don't know much about Shore, didn't really like Thompson in Ottawa. This seems like a wash to me with Shore being younger, cheaper, and a bit more offense oriented from what I read.

    I am not crazy about the trade. I am happy to see Phaneuf go, but we got a cheaper problem coming back. Money savings is big right now so it's a win I suppose. It really depends what the Sens decide to do with his ice-time. If they give it to Chabot it's a win but if they continue to dress Chabot with Boro and plug Harpur in Phaneuf's spot it's a definite loss.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:30 am

    It also doesn't sound like the Sens are keen on trading Pageau, Ceci or Brassard. IMO they'd be foolish to trade Hoffman as well but it might be too tempting depending on the return?

    So who does that leave? Ryan and Burrows if you can, Smith, and Oduya?

    Would the Sens entertain a Ryan/Ceci for Seabrook/Anisimov trade or something along those lines?
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    Post by Lagoon on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm

    I think I will stand by my post that Smith, Brassard and Burrows remain the most likely to be traded.

    I think Pageau will remain as Sens, just like he should in my opinion. Hoffman has always been staying in my opinion because he is needed for now and the future.

    Ryan and Oduya are whatever’s for me. I couldn’t care any less what happens.
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:30 pm

    Pretty sure Ceci is now staying now.  Either Brassard or Pageau will likely move along with Smith and Oduya.  If someone gets drunk and wants Burrows that would be great.
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    Re: Who's The First To Go (And Where)

    Post by Flo The Action on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:52 pm

    Yeah, someone’s gonna have to be drunk to want Burrows.
    I think keeping pageau makes sense. Could be interesting to have Gaborik play with pageau on a line for a year or two if he can stay somewhat healthy. Gaborik isn’t what he used to be but he can still score.
    I’m not sure who would be interested in oduya but they can have him.
    Ceci might get dealt but that’s more of a summer move.

    Again, brass would make Pittsburgh such a good team and they’d logically be looking to part with a 1st, a prospect and likely one of their bottom two centres to make it work on their end. I don’t know too many of Pitts top prospects as I think they’re quite thin in that department but I imagine the Sens asking would likely include maatta(not a prospect but someone we could use) That’s doubtful to happen. They’re trying to part ways with cole and I hope we turn that down.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:39 pm

    There are certainly some drunk GM's out there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Garth Snow do something stupid at the deadline.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:43 pm

    I don't know much about him, but I'd be interested in trading for Klefbom if Ottawa is using this deadline to 're-tool'. Could be a decent partner for Karlsson.
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    Re: Who's The First To Go (And Where)

    Post by wprager on Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:36 pm

    Phaneuf's salary minus 25% it's still $3.175M less than what Gaborik is owed. And Shore is an expiring contract. We've got White and McCormick and Chlapik and maybe even Brown next season. And even if he's still around, he makes less than Thompson.

    It's possible we could move Gaborik by retaining dinner of *his* salary. Guess they'll give him every chance in the next couple weeks to show off. And they could still buy him out, adding on to the savings.


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