What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

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    What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:41 am

    Trade or keep?

    If trade, when and for what.

    If keep, for how long and what dollar value.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by tim1_2 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:09 am

    To trade him, I'd want something incredible in return. For example, if traded to the Leafs (would never happen, but just for example), I'd want Mitch Marner, Morgan Rielly, and another top prospect or a couple first round picks. The return has to be huge, almost to the point where it's actually an over-payment.

    That said, my preference is to keep him. He's a generational talent. I agree this year he's been way off where he normally is, but I think that's a Boucher/Melnyk issue more than anything, and he'll return to form once those issues are dealt with. I'd sign him for 8 years at $12-$13M per.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Ev on Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:48 am

    tim1_2 wrote:To trade him, I'd want something incredible in return. For example, if traded to the Leafs (would never happen, but just for example), I'd want Mitch Marner, Morgan Rielly, and another top prospect or a couple first round picks. The return has to be huge, almost to the point where it's actually an over-payment.

    That said, my preference is to keep him. He's a generational talent. I agree this year he's been way off where he normally is, but I think that's a Boucher/Melnyk issue more than anything, and he'll return to form once those issues are dealt with. I'd sign him for 8 years at $12-$13M per.

    No way IMO. Boucher loves Karlsson, he's one of his guys. Karlsson had his best year last year, nothing has changed since then in regards to the "Melnyk issue". It's pretty obvious he isn't the same player he was due to the surgery. And he may never be again. Right now, he is not a generational talent. My preference is to trade him if he remains the same, because I think his contract would be crippling. We cannot have him playing 25+ mins a night if he is this much of a liability. We should see what he's like at the start of next season after a summer of rehab.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:51 am

    Preference is to sign but at a reasonable price.

    Sign 8 x 10 based on injury risk.

    Trade - Id need a young top 6 centre with #1 potential, 2 x 1st round picks for 2019 and 2020. Deal early in the summer.

    Ex: Draisitl, Barkov, Eichel. Never going to happen but its what Id ask.

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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:10 pm

    I sort of hope it becomes public knowledge that Karlsson is requesting a trade. It would give Dorion green light to trade him. I do really think the Sens should trade him and spread that money/skill out over other areas of the team. On the flip side it would also make the fan base hate Melnyk more which could play out in a lot of different ways (some good, some bad).

    If Karlsson actually wants to stay here then you sign him to a 8 x $10M and you clean house in other areas. Rather than selling off assets for futures, I hope Dorion uses the trade deadline this year to improve his team.

    Examples:

    a) Can the Sens make a move for OEL with a combo of players such as Brass/Ceci?
    b) Would the Sens be willing to trade Anderson for an injured Corey Crawford? Provide Chicago with cap relief and insurance if they're serious about a playoff run, while getting Crawford off their books.
    c) Can the Sens free cap space or trade Ceci for Gudbransson?
    d) Can the Sens move Phaneuf to LA for Pearson+Gaborik?

    Adding futures right now doesn't make sense for Ottawa. If they trade Karlsson then yes, blow it up, but if he's going to re-sign use this year as an off-year and try to make some 2 for 1 trades to set up for next year and beyond
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Ev on Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:29 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I sort of hope it becomes public knowledge that Karlsson is requesting a trade. It would give Dorion green light to trade him. I do really think the Sens should trade him and spread that money/skill out over other areas of the team. On the flip side it would also make the fan base hate Melnyk more which could play out in a lot of different ways (some good, some bad).

    If Karlsson actually wants to stay here then you sign him to a 8 x $10M and you clean house in other areas. Rather than selling off assets for futures, I hope Dorion uses the trade deadline this year to improve his team.

    Examples:

    a) Can the Sens make a move for OEL with a combo of players such as Brass/Ceci?
    b) Would the Sens be willing to trade Anderson for an injured Corey Crawford? Provide Chicago with cap relief and insurance if they're serious about a playoff run, while getting Crawford off their books.
    c) Can the Sens free cap space or trade Ceci for Gudbransson?
    d) Can the Sens move Phaneuf to LA for Pearson+Gaborik?

    Adding futures right now doesn't make sense for Ottawa. If they trade Karlsson then yes, blow it up, but if he's going to re-sign use this year as an off-year and try to make some 2 for 1 trades to set up for next year and beyond

    There's no way he would sign a $10 million deal.

    Ceci for Gudbranson is terrible, bigdown grade.

    LA wouldn't trade Pearson in that deal.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 pm

    You would have to put a gun to my head to give Karlsson 11 per. Youd have to pull the trigger to go past 11.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Flo The Action on Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:23 pm

    Kalrsson will get more than 10 per year. You can bet on that. Either here or elsewhere.

    Id hate to lose Kalrsson but Im very afraid of this injury and how its affected his play. Then again, we faced the same problem when he got his foot cut last time and bionic man came back stronger.

    If hes dealt then this aint a retool. If hes dealt then Im sure the blame and hopefully the sword falls on melnyk. I cant wait for that guy to be gone.

    I cant see Edmonton trading draisitel for hoff and Ceci. Chichi would get crucified.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Oglethorpe on Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:36 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:Kalrsson will get more than 10 per year. You can bet on that. Either here or elsewhere.

    Id hate to lose Kalrsson but Im very afraid of this injury and how its affected his play. Then again, we faced the same problem when he got his foot cut last time and bionic man came back stronger.

    If hes dealt then this aint a retool. If hes dealt then Im sure the blame and hopefully the sword falls on melnyk. I cant wait for that guy to be gone.

    I cant see Edmonton trading draisitel for hoff and Ceci. Chichi would get crucified.

    I wouldn't blame Melnyk for Karlsson wanting more than his worth.
    Edmonton would be hard pressed to get a better deal than Hoff and Ceci. Our impression of Ceci as fans is far lower than other GMs. RHS 2nd pairing D men who are still in their RFA years AND can chew up 25 minutes of ice time are very, very hard to come by. If we didn't have a top pairing RHS dman eating up around 28 minutes I wouldn't even think of dealing him. I have a feeling Ceci will do very well with a fresh start.

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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:11 pm

    My guess is Dorion starts sizing up his options during the All Star game with changes starting next week. At this point I think everyone is on the table aside from Duchene, Stone, and the prospects. Doesn't mean everyone will be traded but if something incredible is offered for Karlsson (established top NHLers with term and high-end prospects) then you consider it. The Sens cannot afford another Spezza like trade.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Lagoon on Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:35 pm

    Hes my favourite player, so to answer the question, he is untradeable.
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Oglethorpe on Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:04 pm

    After thinking more about it the smart move is to cash in on EK this summer. What we see this year is likely what you will get in years 5-8 even if he returns to form next year. Let someone else deal with that anchor of a contract in 5 years.

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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:12 pm

    At this point a top 5 pick seems all but a lock. How would you draft the top 5 prospects in terms of ranking relative to need?
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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by Ev on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:29 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:At this point a top 5 pick seems all but a lock. How would you draft the top 5 prospects in terms of ranking relative to need?

    Dahlin
    Svechnikov
    Zadina
    Tkachuk
    Boqvist

    probably right now for me.

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    Re: What is Karlsson's Worth To You?

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:35 pm

    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:At this point a top 5 pick seems all but a lock. How would you draft the top 5 prospects in terms of ranking relative to need?

    Dahlin
    Svechnikov
    Zadina
    Tkachuk
    Boqvist

    probably right now for me.

    What's the upside of Svechnikov over Zadina and Tkachuk?

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