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    Post by Oglethorpe on Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:04 pm

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    Post by Ev on Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:28 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:Source

    What's yours? I can play this game...


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    Post by Oglethorpe on Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:35 pm

    TSN1200.  You said you know he isn’t, who makes less ?  Blashill Is making 800K who other than Boucher is less.
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    Post by wprager on Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:59 am

    I agree with Ev that you don't for the coach. We were all singing his praises 7 months ago, what's changed? You had your franchise player undergoing ankle surgery (which was a hell of a lot more serious than any of us thought), Anderson is on his typical down year, GM did not properly address the loss of Methot (still think they would have done the same if not better fixing it internally) and a number of players are having sub par years.

    Call this year a Mulligan, get a high draft pick, and start next season with a healthy Karlsson, Chabot full time over Oduya, the "good" Anderson, a bottom six made up of young guys out to prove themselves.


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    Post by wprager on Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:00 am

    Boucher had trust issues and Dorion was his enabler. Need an intervention.


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    Post by Oglethorpe on Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:15 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:I'd give the odds of EK resigning here at 50-50 based on what I have heard. Term and money is not the issue. 

    Players believe you have to spend to win and management knows this is a pervasive thought throughout the veterans.  

    The Duchene move was a signal.  The fact you haven't heard Melnyk mention budget in a long while is not an accident.  Dorian is being aggressive for a reason.  

    Expect once the agreement that the arena deal is a go that you hear whispers of a full sale by Melnyk.  

    I will not say who I talk with so you can choose to believe that I am full of sh$t.
    As I said in Nov the players believe you have to spend to win.  Friedman’s  statement about Karlsson and his feelings about not being able to win with current ownership just provides additional validation.  That was originally told to me by Perry Ceci this summer.
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    Post by Ev on Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:29 pm

    Oglethorpe wrote:
    Oglethorpe wrote:I'd give the odds of EK resigning here at 50-50 based on what I have heard. Term and money is not the issue. 

    Players believe you have to spend to win and management knows this is a pervasive thought throughout the veterans.  

    The Duchene move was a signal.  The fact you haven't heard Melnyk mention budget in a long while is not an accident.  Dorian is being aggressive for a reason.  

    Expect once the agreement that the arena deal is a go that you hear whispers of a full sale by Melnyk.  

    I will not say who I talk with so you can choose to believe that I am full of sh$t.
    As I said in Nov the players believe you have to spend to win.  Friedman’s  statement about Karlsson and his feelings about not being able to win with current ownership just provides additional validation.  That was originally told to me by Perry Ceci this summer.

    Players don’t really care about what the team spends or how competitive it is for the most part. They care about their own salary first and foremost
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:37 pm

    Somewhat true.  Certain players will get paid wherever they go. In Karlsson case he will likely want max term this summer with his injury history.  He could refuse to sign and force a trade if ownership doesn’t change (although I still believe the team gets sold).  The point was players DO care about ownership
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    Post by tim1_2 on Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:59 am

    At least the crowd went home happy!
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    Post by Oglethorpe on Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:04 am

    What a Dung show.  I really hope we get an ownership change. Too much bad blood between the city, the fans and Melnyk. This franchise will continue to spin downward until he’s gone.
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 am

    I'm actually beginning to tally look forward to next season. Especially after the draft.


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    Post by Oglethorpe on Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 am

    If the Sens get the first overall pick do you move Karlsson regardless of ability to resign   Plan for a window opening in about 33 years with Duch Stone Chabot and Dahlen.  In this scenario I probably keep Ceci for a couple years.
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:19 pm

    Dahlin is a leftie, not a replacement for Karlsson. Also, despite winning it, he wasn't the best defenseman on the tournament.

    I'm actually hoping we don't win the lottery and end up with Tkachuk or Zadina.


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    Post by Flo The Action on Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:36 pm

    I don’t know. Dahlin would be such a solid addition. You gotta take him if you can.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:36 pm

    Totally agree. This franchise will spiral until Melnyk sells. He made this bed
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:27 pm

    Dahlin will be good but it will be a couple years before he is able to contribute. And then he would be second pairing behind Chabot.

    If he was a rightie I'd grab him and make a trade involving Ceci for some forward help. I would not trade Karlsson. You do that and you are in a full on rebuild. Chabot is not ready to be your #1 which means it's Ceci. And Dahlin will be another couple years, and there's no guarantee he will ever be as good as Karlsson or Chabot.

    We have good D (once Wideman or another rightie balances the pairings and Oduya is fired into the sun). We need more Dynamic players up front.


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    Post by Oglethorpe on Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:27 pm

    Dahlin can play either side.
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    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:41 am

    This isn't even a debate. If you finish last, you take Dahlin. There's no other choice.

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