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Ev


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tim1_2 wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not sure. You start the season with a coach, fire them, and then you're into interim coaches.

Do it in the off-season and you have a lot more availability and can start the season 'fresh'. I think Boucher oversold his system and bought himself time by telling everyone how 'hard' it was. Fact is the system isn't working and he's not adapting to the new NHL style. The powerplay and penalty kill have been atrocious. That said he can only play the players available to him.

It's tough to say the "system" doesn't work when we went to the Conference Finals last year playing it. †It's tough to explain how things have failed so miserably this year...right now I'm pissed to hear him lay blame at the feet of the young guys and then also pissed at the org for not giving more NHL minutes to prospects right now.

Far better off in the AHL playing lots of minutes. Boucher also wasn't blaming anybody, it's just reality that a team with a depleted lineup full of young guys will look like that.

tim1_2


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Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not sure. You start the season with a coach, fire them, and then you're into interim coaches.

Do it in the off-season and you have a lot more availability and can start the season 'fresh'. I think Boucher oversold his system and bought himself time by telling everyone how 'hard' it was. Fact is the system isn't working and he's not adapting to the new NHL style. The powerplay and penalty kill have been atrocious. That said he can only play the players available to him.

It's tough to say the "system" doesn't work when we went to the Conference Finals last year playing it. †It's tough to explain how things have failed so miserably this year...right now I'm pissed to hear him lay blame at the feet of the young guys and then also pissed at the org for not giving more NHL minutes to prospects right now.

Far better off in the AHL playing lots of minutes. Boucher also wasn't blaming anybody, it's just reality that a team with a depleted lineup full of young guys will look like that.

It's not a lineup "full of young guys". The three "young guys" are Chabot, Wolanin, and Chlapik. I'd like to see at least two more "young guys" called up from Belleville to see some NHL action before this season is through.

Lagoon


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Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not sure. You start the season with a coach, fire them, and then you're into interim coaches.

Do it in the off-season and you have a lot more availability and can start the season 'fresh'. I think Boucher oversold his system and bought himself time by telling everyone how 'hard' it was. Fact is the system isn't working and he's not adapting to the new NHL style. The powerplay and penalty kill have been atrocious. That said he can only play the players available to him.

It's tough to say the "system" doesn't work when we went to the Conference Finals last year playing it. †It's tough to explain how things have failed so miserably this year...right now I'm pissed to hear him lay blame at the feet of the young guys and then also pissed at the org for not giving more NHL minutes to prospects right now.

Far better off in the AHL playing lots of minutes. Boucher also wasn't blaming anybody, it's just reality that a team with a depleted lineup full of young guys will look like that.

I must have missed the game last night where the Sens had a team full of young guys. Confused!

Ev

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tim1_2 wrote:
Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not sure. You start the season with a coach, fire them, and then you're into interim coaches.

Do it in the off-season and you have a lot more availability and can start the season 'fresh'. I think Boucher oversold his system and bought himself time by telling everyone how 'hard' it was. Fact is the system isn't working and he's not adapting to the new NHL style. The powerplay and penalty kill have been atrocious. That said he can only play the players available to him.

It's tough to say the "system" doesn't work when we went to the Conference Finals last year playing it. †It's tough to explain how things have failed so miserably this year...right now I'm pissed to hear him lay blame at the feet of the young guys and then also pissed at the org for not giving more NHL minutes to prospects right now.

Far better off in the AHL playing lots of minutes. Boucher also wasn't blaming anybody, it's just reality that a team with a depleted lineup full of young guys will look like that.

It's not a lineup "full of young guys". †The three "young guys" are Chabot, Wolanin, and Chlapik. †I'd like to see at least two more "young guys" called up from Belleville to see some NHL action before this season is through.

Chabot, Wolanin, Claesson, Harpur, McCormick, Chlapik, are just a few who I consider to be lesser experienced young guys. I wouldn't call anyone up at this point unless Belleville's season ends before ours.

Flo The Action

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Ev wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:As for buyouts, I am assuming they mean Burrows. Gaborik has been okay IMO. Ryan another buyout potential...

And just to clarify, they may 'offer' Karlsson a contract but he may want to take it. They may 'offer' him $10M/8 and trade him when he says no. They 'offered' Turris a contract too.

Exactly... they will try to lowball him . And thatís IF heís actually part of the team by July 1st.


There is a chance we are keeping kalrsson. Emotions can play a factor in everything. Between the up and downs of the season on the GM and ownership, the reaction to ownership by the fans and the prospect of ridiculously low renewal of season tickets there may be some readjustment from management towards keeping him.
On the part of kalrsson, loosing his son might factor into things. The reactions from the city. As devastating as this is, maybe his wife feels like h9me is where sheíd rather closely be. I canít say Because I have no link to that but if maybe he was leaning on the side of leaving, maybe that might be a pull back. Or not. Maybe the opposite.

All Iím saying is emotions are super high and itís been a rollercoaster. Things could change. IMO the situation still looks like thenone around the trade deadline but it could not. †

You assuming they would try to lowball him is ridiculous. They also didn't lowball Turris. They didn't agree on term. And they got a way better player as a result.

Itís not ridiculous. Itís very well possible that they offer him 6 years at 9 mill and say they made an offer he didnít like. Who knows but thatís one way to give false promises to the fans.
Point is, Dorion isnít saying heíll pay market value for kalrsson, heís carefully choosing his words to say ďheíll offer him a contractĒ. And thereís no guarantee he didnít lowball Turris. If anything, from the rumblings we heard the Sens did offer Turris a contract that wasnít incredible and never came back to the bargaining table with counter offers. That certainly doesnít sound like negotiations.
Sure we got a better player, I hope we get to keep him. I would have rather we get to have both Turris and duchene.

Ev

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Flo The Action wrote:
Ev wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:As for buyouts, I am assuming they mean Burrows. Gaborik has been okay IMO. Ryan another buyout potential...

And just to clarify, they may 'offer' Karlsson a contract but he may want to take it. They may 'offer' him $10M/8 and trade him when he says no. They 'offered' Turris a contract too.

Exactly... they will try to lowball him . And thatís IF heís actually part of the team by July 1st.


There is a chance we are keeping kalrsson. Emotions can play a factor in everything. Between the up and downs of the season on the GM and ownership, the reaction to ownership by the fans and the prospect of ridiculously low renewal of season tickets there may be some readjustment from management towards keeping him.
On the part of kalrsson, loosing his son might factor into things. The reactions from the city. As devastating as this is, maybe his wife feels like h9me is where sheíd rather closely be. I canít say Because I have no link to that but if maybe he was leaning on the side of leaving, maybe that might be a pull back. Or not. Maybe the opposite.

All Iím saying is emotions are super high and itís been a rollercoaster. Things could change. IMO the situation still looks like thenone around the trade deadline but it could not. †

You assuming they would try to lowball him is ridiculous. They also didn't lowball Turris. They didn't agree on term. And they got a way better player as a result.

Itís not ridiculous. Itís very well possible that they offer him 6 years at 9 mill and say they made an offer he didnít like. Who knows but thatís one way to give false promises to the fans.
Point is, Dorion isnít saying heíll pay market value for kalrsson, heís carefully choosing his words to say ďheíll offer him a contractĒ. And thereís no guarantee he didnít lowball Turris. If anything, from the rumblings we heard the Sens did offer Turris a contract that wasnít incredible and never came back to the bargaining table with counter offers. That certainly doesnít sound like negotiations.
Sure we got a better player, I hope we get to keep him. I would have rather we get to have both Turris and duchene.

There is a zero percent chance they offer him 9 million. Donít be one of those sens fans who likes to speculate everything and say the team will do anything to save money. Itís ridiculous and not based on anything that has happened now or in the past. They will offer market value for karlsson, without question .

wprager

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Problem is market value here versus tax free states it's a huge difference.


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Ev

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Letís be real this thing has nothing to do with money. If he signs here it will be for less than what he could get elsewhere

Lagoon

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Ev wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Ev wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:As for buyouts, I am assuming they mean Burrows. Gaborik has been okay IMO. Ryan another buyout potential...

And just to clarify, they may 'offer' Karlsson a contract but he may want to take it. They may 'offer' him $10M/8 and trade him when he says no. They 'offered' Turris a contract too.

Exactly... they will try to lowball him . And thatís IF heís actually part of the team by July 1st.


There is a chance we are keeping kalrsson. Emotions can play a factor in everything. Between the up and downs of the season on the GM and ownership, the reaction to ownership by the fans and the prospect of ridiculously low renewal of season tickets there may be some readjustment from management towards keeping him.
On the part of kalrsson, loosing his son might factor into things. The reactions from the city. As devastating as this is, maybe his wife feels like h9me is where sheíd rather closely be. I canít say Because I have no link to that but if maybe he was leaning on the side of leaving, maybe that might be a pull back. Or not. Maybe the opposite.

All Iím saying is emotions are super high and itís been a rollercoaster. Things could change. IMO the situation still looks like thenone around the trade deadline but it could not. †

You assuming they would try to lowball him is ridiculous. They also didn't lowball Turris. They didn't agree on term. And they got a way better player as a result.

Itís not ridiculous. Itís very well possible that they offer him 6 years at 9 mill and say they made an offer he didnít like. Who knows but thatís one way to give false promises to the fans.
Point is, Dorion isnít saying heíll pay market value for kalrsson, heís carefully choosing his words to say ďheíll offer him a contractĒ. And thereís no guarantee he didnít lowball Turris. If anything, from the rumblings we heard the Sens did offer Turris a contract that wasnít incredible and never came back to the bargaining table with counter offers. That certainly doesnít sound like negotiations.
Sure we got a better player, I hope we get to keep him. I would have rather we get to have both Turris and duchene.

There is a zero percent chance they offer him 9 million. Donít be one of those sens fans who likes to speculate everythingand say the team will do anything to save money. Itís ridiculous and not based on anything that has happened now or in the past. They will offer market value for karlsson, without question .

There is a 100% chance that you arenít part of the Sens negotiating management. Donít be one of those fans that pretend they know more than Sens front office or even other fans.

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Ev wrote:Letís be real this thing has nothing to do with money. If he signs here it will be for less than what he could get elsewhere

Actually, since Melnyk signs and approves payroll cheques, that means money is part of the equation in my opinion.

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wprager wrote:Problem is market value here versus tax free states it's a huge difference.

Market-value here versus tax-free states that are willing to overpay to get their man. Yes, huge difference.

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The baby Sens have signed two-time Ottawa Senator David Dziurzynski. I liked him. That knockout really messed him up though. Glad he is getting another shot at his admitted dream. I donít expect to see him a third time, but good luck to him.

wprager

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I don't even think the tax free states have to overpay. There are just, what, three teams in tax free states? That's not a lot of competition when signing UFAs. In general, US based teams have a significant financial advantage over Canadian teams, and that is likely the of the reasons why we haven't had a Canadian Cup winner since 1993.


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Ev

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wprager wrote:I don't even think the tax free states have to overpay. There are just, what, three teams in tax free states? That's not a lot of competition when signing UFAs. †In general, US based teams have a significant financial advantage over Canadian teams, and that is likely the of the reasons why we haven't had a Canadian Cup winner since 1993.

It is but the sens have not had much issue with it. They get guys signed.

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Gustavsson may start in goal today for Belleville. Game is on tv at 4:00.

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And Sexton gets the next call from Ottawa. Ahhhhh!

Go Kanata.

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I checked the Rogers grid and don't see the game anywhere.


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