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    Post by Lagoon on Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:07 pm

    I thought Lazar would be better. Still time, but he hasn’t shown much in the way of a bonafode NHLer yet.

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    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:53 am

    So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

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    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:08 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

    Thankfully we did not touch Jagr.

    As for Lazar, I remember watching his final World Jrs and he wasn't really producing any highlight reel goals or assists. What he was getting was of the gritty variety....It is interesting though how totally unable he is to produce at the NHL level. It must be so incredibly frustrating for him. I have no idea why Calgary gave us a second rounder for him, but thank god for that.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:45 pm

    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

    Thankfully we did not touch Jagr.  

    As for Lazar, I remember watching his final World Jrs and he wasn't really producing any highlight reel goals or assists.  What he was getting was of the gritty variety....It is interesting though how totally unable he is to produce at the NHL level.  It must be so incredibly frustrating for him.  I have no idea why Calgary gave us a second rounder for him, but thank god for that.

    Lazar was ripe with potential. At the end of the day Lazar was a bust. A lot of WJHC players become busts as do many draft picks. Lazar had a great junior career but never had a skill-set that would make it in the NHL. Everyone always spoke to his heart and grit. In the Juniors you can get by on grit and heart. He was too small for the NHL to play a 'gritty' role, and there are few places in the NHL if any where you can get by on heart. It's too bad for him. By all accounts he was a pretty decent human being and someone with great leadership potential. But at the end of the day the NHL, and all major sports, don't really have a place for potential.
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    Post by Ev on Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:05 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

    Thankfully we did not touch Jagr.  

    As for Lazar, I remember watching his final World Jrs and he wasn't really producing any highlight reel goals or assists.  What he was getting was of the gritty variety....It is interesting though how totally unable he is to produce at the NHL level.  It must be so incredibly frustrating for him.  I have no idea why Calgary gave us a second rounder for him, but thank god for that.

    Lazar was ripe with potential. At the end of the day Lazar was a bust. A lot of WJHC players become busts as do many draft picks. Lazar had a great junior career but never had a skill-set that would make it in the NHL. Everyone always spoke to his heart and grit. In the Juniors you can get by on grit and heart. He was too small for the NHL to play a 'gritty' role, and there are few places in the NHL if any where you can get by on heart. It's too bad for him. By all accounts he was a pretty decent human being and someone with great leadership potential. But at the end of the day the NHL, and all major sports, don't really have a place for potential.

    Lazar did have projectable tools which made him a first round pick. Many thought his goal scoring ability would translate to the pros and some scouts said he had 30 goal potential.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

    Thankfully we did not touch Jagr.  

    As for Lazar, I remember watching his final World Jrs and he wasn't really producing any highlight reel goals or assists.  What he was getting was of the gritty variety....It is interesting though how totally unable he is to produce at the NHL level.  It must be so incredibly frustrating for him.  I have no idea why Calgary gave us a second rounder for him, but thank god for that.

    Lazar was ripe with potential. At the end of the day Lazar was a bust. A lot of WJHC players become busts as do many draft picks. Lazar had a great junior career but never had a skill-set that would make it in the NHL. Everyone always spoke to his heart and grit. In the Juniors you can get by on grit and heart. He was too small for the NHL to play a 'gritty' role, and there are few places in the NHL if any where you can get by on heart. It's too bad for him. By all accounts he was a pretty decent human being and someone with great leadership potential. But at the end of the day the NHL, and all major sports, don't really have a place for potential.

    Lazar did have projectable tools which made him a first round pick. Many thought his goal scoring ability would translate to the pros and some scouts said he had 30 goal potential.

    I can’t say I saw much of lazar outside of the NHL or the WJC but what I did see showed me a predictable scorer who had little creativity in his shot. Those don’t translate very well unless they become guys that drive the net or deflect. None of these we saw him do well.

    I still think he might turn into a constant fourth or best case scenario 3rd liner but it’s questionable if he could do that with the flames. He might have to get to the point where he can sign a 2 wayand get sent down to the AHL to work on his game.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:39 am

    Sportsnet pre-draft analysis:

    Curtis Lazar, a two-way, gritty forward with character and leadership qualities, is the No. 11 prospect.

    Stats: Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL) | 72 GP | 38 G | 23 A | 61 P | +25 | 47 PIM

    Who is Curtis Lazar?

    Lazar was the second-overall pick by the Edmonton Oil Kings in the 2010 Western Hockey League bantam draft. He helped the Oil Kings to their first Ed Chynoweth Cup in modern history last season as league champions, and came within two wins of repeating their title this season.

    Lazar was captain of Team B.C.’s gold-medal winning team at the 2011 Canada Winter Games, breaking Steven Stamkos’ record for goals (12) and Sidney Crosby’s for points (17). He was a member of Team Pacific’s fifth-place finish at the 2012 world under-17 hockey challenge and won gold with Canada’s under-18 team at the 2012 Ivan Hlinka Memorial tournament.

    Curtis Lazar’s scouting report:

    Lazar is a coach’s dream. He plays an honest, hard-working game at both ends of the ice and will stand up for teammates at a moment’s notice. He possesses the soft hands in tight to score, and is unselfish in his approach to spreading it around. He’s known for his infectious smile and bubbly personality, and has the leadership traits that made him an alternate captain in just his second season in the WHL.

    He plays hard defensively and will deliver a big hit when the moment presents itself. Although not overly shifty or dynamic, he does everything well. Given his presence and hard-working demeanor, Lazar is a safe pick with a lot of potential.

    Teams who might be interested in Curtis Lazar:

    Lazar should be appealing to many teams given his character and two-way game. The Buffalo Sabres may be interested, considering they’ve taken his former teammate, Mark Pysyk, in 2010. There will be more talented players available when their first pick comes up at No. 8, but he won’t likely be available for their next pick at No. 16. The Phoenix Coyotes, who drafted teammate Henrik Samuelsson last year, may also be in the mix at No. 12.

    Scout’s take:

    “Curtis Lazar is one of those consummate, two-way players that every single team needs to be a winner,” explains David Burstyn, director of scouting for McKeen’s Hockey. “He started off slow, but he had a very good second half and playoffs. He’s a very hard-nosed competitor. He’s not going to go out looking for the hits, but he competes like a Patrice Bergeron, who will always give you an honest, solid effort. He can score some clutch goals, his skating has improved throughout the course of the season and he just leads by example. He’s got great leadership abilities and it wouldn’t surprise me if he would wear a letter at the NHL level.”

    “Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”

    Rankings:

    Lazar was ranked 20th by the NHL’s Central Scouting (North American skaters), and 12th by McKeen’s Hockey and International Scouting Services.
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    Post by Ev on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:54 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Sportsnet pre-draft analysis:

    Curtis Lazar, a two-way, gritty forward with character and leadership qualities, is the No. 11 prospect.

    Stats: Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL) | 72 GP | 38 G | 23 A | 61 P | +25 | 47 PIM

    Who is Curtis Lazar?

    Lazar was the second-overall pick by the Edmonton Oil Kings in the 2010 Western Hockey League bantam draft. He helped the Oil Kings to their first Ed Chynoweth Cup in modern history last season as league champions, and came within two wins of repeating their title this season.

    Lazar was captain of Team B.C.’s gold-medal winning team at the 2011 Canada Winter Games, breaking Steven Stamkos’ record for goals (12) and Sidney Crosby’s for points (17). He was a member of Team Pacific’s fifth-place finish at the 2012 world under-17 hockey challenge and won gold with Canada’s under-18 team at the 2012 Ivan Hlinka Memorial tournament.

    Curtis Lazar’s scouting report:

    Lazar is a coach’s dream. He plays an honest, hard-working game at both ends of the ice and will stand up for teammates at a moment’s notice. He possesses the soft hands in tight to score, and is unselfish in his approach to spreading it around. He’s known for his infectious smile and bubbly personality, and has the leadership traits that made him an alternate captain in just his second season in the WHL.

    He plays hard defensively and will deliver a big hit when the moment presents itself. Although not overly shifty or dynamic, he does everything well. Given his presence and hard-working demeanor, Lazar is a safe pick with a lot of potential.

    Teams who might be interested in Curtis Lazar:

    Lazar should be appealing to many teams given his character and two-way game. The Buffalo Sabres may be interested, considering they’ve taken his former teammate, Mark Pysyk, in 2010. There will be more talented players available when their first pick comes up at No. 8, but he won’t likely be available for their next pick at No. 16. The Phoenix Coyotes, who drafted teammate Henrik Samuelsson last year, may also be in the mix at No. 12.

    Scout’s take:

    “Curtis Lazar is one of those consummate, two-way players that every single team needs to be a winner,” explains David Burstyn, director of scouting for McKeen’s Hockey. “He started off slow, but he had a very good second half and playoffs. He’s a very hard-nosed competitor. He’s not going to go out looking for the hits, but he competes like a Patrice Bergeron, who will always give you an honest, solid effort. He can score some clutch goals, his skating has improved throughout the course of the season and he just leads by example. He’s got great leadership abilities and it wouldn’t surprise me if he would wear a letter at the NHL level.”

    “Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”

    Rankings:

    Lazar was ranked 20th by the NHL’s Central Scouting (North American skaters), and 12th by McKeen’s Hockey and International Scouting Services.

    He was also known for his shot and goal scoring ability. Tim Murray said he could score 30 goals after he was drafted.
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    Post by Ev on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:56 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    tim1_2 wrote:
    Flo The Action wrote:So do the senators perform the trifecta of waiver pick ups this year and pick up Jagr on their quest to trade off anyone holding salary? Laugh1

    Who knows, maybe Jagr might actually get two achievements for this team and those are sell tickets as a novelty to see the legend in a sens jersey and ensure us the tank is full on to number 1

    Thankfully we did not touch Jagr.  

    As for Lazar, I remember watching his final World Jrs and he wasn't really producing any highlight reel goals or assists.  What he was getting was of the gritty variety....It is interesting though how totally unable he is to produce at the NHL level.  It must be so incredibly frustrating for him.  I have no idea why Calgary gave us a second rounder for him, but thank god for that.

    Lazar was ripe with potential. At the end of the day Lazar was a bust. A lot of WJHC players become busts as do many draft picks. Lazar had a great junior career but never had a skill-set that would make it in the NHL. Everyone always spoke to his heart and grit. In the Juniors you can get by on grit and heart. He was too small for the NHL to play a 'gritty' role, and there are few places in the NHL if any where you can get by on heart. It's too bad for him. By all accounts he was a pretty decent human being and someone with great leadership potential. But at the end of the day the NHL, and all major sports, don't really have a place for potential.

    Lazar did have projectable tools which made him a first round pick. Many thought his goal scoring ability would translate to the pros and some scouts said he had 30 goal potential.

    I can’t say I saw much of lazar outside of the NHL or the WJC but what I did see showed me a predictable scorer who had little creativity in his shot. Those don’t translate very well unless they become guys that drive the net or deflect. None of these we saw him do well.

    I still think he might turn into a constant fourth or best case scenario 3rd liner but it’s questionable if he could do that with the flames. He might have to get to the point where he can sign a 2 wayand get sent down to the AHL to work on his game.

    He could get sent down to the AHL right now and nobody would claim him.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:58 pm

    And where's Tim Murray now? A/GM for the Sens between 2007-2014. 1st rd picks under his tenure:

    2007 - Jim O'Brien
    2008 - Erik Karlsson
    2009 - Jared Cowen
    2010 - No 1st or 2nd rd pick
    2011 - Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel
    2012 - Cody Ceci
    2013 - Curtis Lazar
    2014 - No 1st rd pick

    Not a very impressive track record.

    I've been pretty vocal historically about the Murray's. While I am not questioning Bryan's character (I do question Tim's since I do have friends that live in Shawville/Quyon who say he's an arrogant dunghole) their management decisions I don't necessarily agree with. A lot of trades and signings in which Ottawa lost, in addition to an obsession of drafting North American born players. Now the impact of a highly involved owner probably influenced a lot of this, but the team hasn't been good since Murray became GM. And I do think that Dorion is cut from the same cloth as evidenced by a lot of his signings (extensions to veterans) and inability to assess player value outside of the "eye-test"


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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:03 pm

    On an unrelated note, the Sens should be talking with Vegas about getting a goalie. Dansk would be an interesting option that would fill an immediate need in Belleville while providing some insurance if Anderson/Condo continue to crap the bed. Vegas is the type of team that can afford to load up at the deadline, take on salary, and have a bevvy of picks over the next 3 years. Almost half their team is UFA/RFA eligible next year.

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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:On an unrelated note, the Sens should be talking with Vegas about getting a goalie. Dansk would be an interesting option that would fill an immediate need in Belleville while providing some insurance if Anderson/Condo continue to crap the bed. Vegas is the type of team that can afford to load up at the deadline, take on salary, and have a bevvy of picks over the next 3 years. Almost half their team is UFA/RFA eligible next year.

    I can definitely see them being interested in someone like Hoffman who would thrive in their system and is signed for a few more years. Even Ceci would be appealing to them as they will be short on defencemen next season.
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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:On an unrelated note, the Sens should be talking with Vegas about getting a goalie. Dansk would be an interesting option that would fill an immediate need in Belleville while providing some insurance if Anderson/Condo continue to crap the bed. Vegas is the type of team that can afford to load up at the deadline, take on salary, and have a bevvy of picks over the next 3 years. Almost half their team is UFA/RFA eligible next year.

    I can definitely see them being interested in someone like Hoffman who would thrive in their system and is signed for a few more years. Even Ceci would be appealing to them as they will be short on defencemen next season.

    They won’t crap what they are building right now in order to land someone to help them now.
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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:And where's Tim Murray now? A/GM for the Sens between 2007-2014. 1st rd picks under his tenure:

    2007 - Jim O'Brien
    2008 - Erik Karlsson
    2009 - Jared Cowen
    2010 - No 1st or 2nd rd pick
    2011 - Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel
    2012 - Cody Ceci
    2013 - Curtis Lazar
    2014 - No 1st rd pick

    Not a very impressive track record.

    I've been pretty vocal historically about the Murray's. While I am not questioning Bryan's character (I do question Tim's since I do have friends that live in Shawville/Quyon who say he's an arrogant dunghole) their management decisions I don't necessarily agree with. A lot of trades and signings in which Ottawa lost, in addition to an obsession of drafting North American born players. Now the impact of a highly involved owner probably influenced a lot of this, but the team hasn't been good since Murray became GM. And I do think that Dorion is cut from the same cloth as evidenced by a lot of his signings (extensions to veterans) and inability to assess player value outside of the "eye-test"

    Well first off, they have drafted a lot of Swedes and I would not draft Russians at all because of the KHL. It just so happens they picked North Americans, it doesn't mean they haven't like some Czechs, Slovaks etc, there just isn't as much talent from those countries, so the odds are that you wouldn't draft them, especially in early rounds.

    A lot when wrong with some of the picks that were out of their control. Karlsson, Cowen, Zibanejad, Ceci IMO is a very good haul from 08-12.


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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:31 am

    I'd argue that Zib underachieved in Ottawa and Cowen was not a good pick. But that's besides the point.
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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'd argue that Zib underachieved in Ottawa and Cowen was not a good pick. But that's besides the point.

    you must not remember Cowen as a prospect then.

    Anyway, Mike Fisher is coming out of retirement to play for Nashville. That team is not good, IMO.
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    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'd argue that Zib underachieved in Ottawa and Cowen was not a good pick. But that's besides the point.

    you must not remember Cowen as a prospect then.

    Anyway, Mike Fisher is coming out of retirement to play for Nashville. That team is not good, IMO.

    Yeah I thought that was an interesting choice for him to make. I’m sure he’s still a decent 3rd line Center and will add to their depth if they make another long playoff push. Plus practically no cost to them and Fisher comes in feeling fresh.
    I think it’s a good move.

    In other notes, Melnyk appears on TV with a quasi apology for his idiocy.

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    Ev wrote:
    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'd argue that Zib underachieved in Ottawa and Cowen was not a good pick. But that's besides the point.

    you must not remember Cowen as a prospect then.

    Anyway, Mike Fisher is coming out of retirement to play for Nashville. That team is not good, IMO.

    I do remember when Cowen was drafted. There were several concerns about an injury he sustained in junior, but was also compared to Adam Foote and Zdeno Chara because of his size. It was a high risk high reward draft pick that didn't pan out. It was a pretty weak draft overall though.

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