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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:13 pm

    wprager wrote:Karlsson is being a baby?  How?  I'm not one to defend Karlsson, I thought he was the wrong choice (at the time) for Captain because of his immaturity and I still stand behind that.  The one year that he actually acted like a leader was last year and he got them to within a goal of the Finals, on one ankle.

    That said, he is recovering from a significant reconstruction of his ankle so I'm not surprised he is not as good as he used to be, but I am also not writing him off a has-been; he will be back to form next season.  Also, if Melnyk does/says half of what's rumored out there, I would not be at all surprised if he pissed Karlsson off (and we know these Swedes can carry a grudge).  Also, EK knows he cannot win by himself, and if his $12M means the likes of Pyatt in the top-six then you can't blame him for not wanting to stick around.  He wants to win the Cup but not at the expense of leaving a $20M "hometown" discount.

    There's no accountability coming from the players, especially not the captain. You were given a rock solid roster this season and Cussed it up from here to eternity, then decided to ask for a trade when the Dung got real. I don't like it personally, it's his choice, but I'm not a fan. Maybe the Sens were offering too little, who knows, but I doubt they would, I think they're quite aware of what he'll take or not take. So it comes down to hurt feelings over Turris and an old Alfie thing? Get real and grow up. Wasted year because no one worked hard enough this year - and that goes for Karlsson, Hoffman, Pageau, Brassard, Phaneuf, Anderson. Bad, bad, bad, bad. Pretty disgraceful this year and maybe finally it's time to blow it all up and start with Duchene, Stone and Chabot and go from there.

    Too bad though, Karlsson was THE guy here and we could have retooled really quick. Wish management and player could see that, but they're too busy finger banging themselves over budget this and budget that.

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:36 am

    PTFlea wrote:
    wprager wrote:Karlsson is being a baby?  How?  I'm not one to defend Karlsson, I thought he was the wrong choice (at the time) for Captain because of his immaturity and I still stand behind that.  The one year that he actually acted like a leader was last year and he got them to within a goal of the Finals, on one ankle.

    That said, he is recovering from a significant reconstruction of his ankle so I'm not surprised he is not as good as he used to be, but I am also not writing him off a has-been; he will be back to form next season.  Also, if Melnyk does/says half of what's rumored out there, I would not be at all surprised if he pissed Karlsson off (and we know these Swedes can carry a grudge).  Also, EK knows he cannot win by himself, and if his $12M means the likes of Pyatt in the top-six then you can't blame him for not wanting to stick around.  He wants to win the Cup but not at the expense of leaving a $20M "hometown" discount.

    There's no accountability coming from the players, especially not the captain.  You were given a rock solid roster this season and Cussed it up from here to eternity, then decided to ask for a trade when the Dung got real.  I don't like it personally, it's his choice, but I'm not a fan.  Maybe the Sens were offering too little, who knows, but I doubt they would, I think they're quite aware of what he'll take or not take.  So it comes down to hurt feelings over Turris and an old Alfie thing?  Get real and grow up.  Wasted year because no one worked hard enough this year - and that goes for Karlsson, Hoffman, Pageau, Brassard, Phaneuf, Anderson.  Bad, bad, bad, bad.  Pretty disgraceful this year and maybe finally it's time to blow it all up and start with Duchene, Stone and Chabot and go from there.

    Too bad though, Karlsson was THE guy here and we could have retooled really quick.  Wish management and player could see that, but they're too busy finger banging themselves over budget this and budget that.
    Ish... couldn’t disagree more. Will write later

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:37 am

    Today is the day kids! 
    We find out how many years we have to reset this team by
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 am

    It's true, a bad karlsson trade and we're in trouble.

    Curious to see who will play d for us next year.

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:13 am

    PTFlea wrote:It's true, a bad karlsson trade and we're in trouble.

    Curious to see who will play d for us next year.

    Worst D in the league

    Chabot-Ceci
    Harpur-Jaros
    Boro-Pokka

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:21 am

    Flo The Action wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:
    wprager wrote:Karlsson is being a baby?  How?  I'm not one to defend Karlsson, I thought he was the wrong choice (at the time) for Captain because of his immaturity and I still stand behind that.  The one year that he actually acted like a leader was last year and he got them to within a goal of the Finals, on one ankle.

    That said, he is recovering from a significant reconstruction of his ankle so I'm not surprised he is not as good as he used to be, but I am also not writing him off a has-been; he will be back to form next season.  Also, if Melnyk does/says half of what's rumored out there, I would not be at all surprised if he pissed Karlsson off (and we know these Swedes can carry a grudge).  Also, EK knows he cannot win by himself, and if his $12M means the likes of Pyatt in the top-six then you can't blame him for not wanting to stick around.  He wants to win the Cup but not at the expense of leaving a $20M "hometown" discount.

    There's no accountability coming from the players, especially not the captain.  You were given a rock solid roster this season and Cussed it up from here to eternity, then decided to ask for a trade when the Dung got real.  I don't like it personally, it's his choice, but I'm not a fan.  Maybe the Sens were offering too little, who knows, but I doubt they would, I think they're quite aware of what he'll take or not take.  So it comes down to hurt feelings over Turris and an old Alfie thing?  Get real and grow up.  Wasted year because no one worked hard enough this year - and that goes for Karlsson, Hoffman, Pageau, Brassard, Phaneuf, Anderson.  Bad, bad, bad, bad.  Pretty disgraceful this year and maybe finally it's time to blow it all up and start with Duchene, Stone and Chabot and go from there.

    Too bad though, Karlsson was THE guy here and we could have retooled really quick.  Wish management and player could see that, but they're too busy finger banging themselves over budget this and budget that.
    Ish... couldn’t disagree more. Will write later

    Accountability needs to come from both management and the players.

    Last year's playoff roster included a rock-solid Methot playing with a healthy Karlsson, Turris, MacArthur, a productive Bobby Ryan, depth in Wingels and Stalberg, Claesson playing well, Wideman, secondary scoring, and an emotional few points from Burrows

    This year's roster didn't have Methot playing with a healthy Karlsson, Turris (though Duche is an upgrade IMO), MacArthur, a productive Bobby Ryan, depth in Wingels and Stalberg, Claesson playing well, Wideman, secondary scoring, any production from Burrows.

    Sens lost: Turris, Methot, Wingels, MacArthur, Stalbgerg
    Sens got: Oduya, Thompson, Duchene

    So the players were asked to do more with less on top of their Alternate Captain and arguably best forward being traded because of their owner not wanting to shell out money. I think management needs to be accountable on this one...
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:39 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:It's true, a bad karlsson trade and we're in trouble.

    Curious to see who will play d for us next year.

    Worst D in the league

    Chabot-Ceci
    Harpur-Jaros
    Boro-Pokka

    But that can't happen, so where do we begin looking for a #2 D-man X 2?
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:46 am

    3rd plus Moutrey for Cole. Never heard of Moutrey
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by dennycrane on Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:25 am

    A 2020 pick is fine. Gives them a chip to play at future deadlines should they be in contention.
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Flo The Action on Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am

    dennycrane wrote:A 2020 pick is fine. Gives them a chip to play at future deadlines should they be in contention.
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by tim1_2 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:58 am

    Sounds like a Karlsson trade probably won't happen today, which means we get to endure the speculation until the summer.

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:43 am

    PTFlea wrote:3rd plus Moutrey for Cole.  Never heard of Moutrey

    He's a career AHLer. Injury history, not much upside. Similar to Vincent Dunn. Not happy with the trade personally but it is what it is.
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Oglethorpe on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:51 am

    I went over to HFBoards for the 1st time today. Holy crap are those people dumb. Blaming Dorion for everything that has ever happened. Other than the Burrows extension and Anderson extension (too soon IMO) every other move has been fine or better given the parameters he has to work with.

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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:55 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
    PTFlea wrote:3rd plus Moutrey for Cole.  Never heard of Moutrey

    He's a career AHLer. Injury history, not much upside. Similar to Vincent Dunn. Not happy with the trade personally but it is what it is.  

    Not as good a haul as I thought. I would have held out for a 2nd or potentially looked at keeping Cole.
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Ev on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:58 am

    There was no reason to keep Cole. They were looking for a third and they got it
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:03 pm

    Be gone Oduya! BE GONE!
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:04 pm

    Ev wrote:There was no reason to keep Cole. They were looking for a third and they got it

    I can think of some intriguing reasons to keep Cole. Namely we might have 1 real NHL defender going into the off-season in Ceci. And even then, with him about to demand big bucks...
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    Re: Trade deadline

    Post by Ev on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:05 pm

    PTFlea wrote:
    Ev wrote:There was no reason to keep Cole. They were looking for a third and they got it

    I can think of some intriguing reasons to keep Cole.  Namely we might have 1 real NHL defender going into the off-season in Ceci.  And even then, with him about to demand big bucks...

    Cole was a free agent

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