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Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Ev on Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:30 pm

wprager wrote:Bob McKenzie doesn't do prospect rankings. He just compiles many other lists. †If there Sens pick second they are likely to pick Zadina. In fact, because of the KHL threat many other GMs would also avoid drafting a Russian player.

There is no khl threat for a player who came to Muskegon Michigan three years ago to develop for the nhl draft . The sens will not draft out of the mhl/khl but as Dorion has said they have no issues drafting Russians out of the CHL. Iím of the same opinion. I would never pick a khl russian. Top CHL Russian players get drafted high and donít slip.

Thatís not correct about McKenzies list. His list is made based on the opinions of actual nhl scouts and executives. He does not compile other peopleís lists. Thatís why his are the gold standard.

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Post by Ev on Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:32 pm

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Lagoon wrote:Svechnikov is not the clear #2, but thatís cool that you would pick him. Iím torn on him and Zadina just like mostly everyone else, all the rankings and mocks that Iíve seen.

That's not correct. He is by far the clear #2. I really don't care what you have to say in reply to this, because I don't respect you nor value your opinion at all, but this is just fact.

Actually Ev, you are not correct. †There are many lists available on the internet compiled by people that know more than you and I. †

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2018-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-march/

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-bouchard-rocketing-up-draft-board-1.1031499

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2018-draft-rankings-dahlin-still-the-darling

http://www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?year=2018&layout=&ranking=Rank6

http://www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?year=2018&layout=&ranking=Rank4

Svechnikov is #2 on some lists, but not all. †There is far from a consensus as to who will go #2.

That is correct. I could post some more links for you and I as well, but what is the point? He knows he is wrong now and that is what matters when someone pretends to know everything.

You are ridiculous and cancerous to this forum. Youíre such a hypocritical bunghole

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Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Lagoon on Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:52 pm

Ev wrote:That's not correct. He is by far the clear #2. I really don't care what you have to say in reply to this, because I don't respect you nor value your opinion at all, but this is just fact.

Ev wrote:I didnít say he would be the #2 in every single ranking. But that doesnít matter at all. Only Bob McKenzies ranking really matters. Anyone who knows anything about the draft and prospects has a clear cut #2 right now

Ev wrote:Thatís not correct about McKenzies list. His list is made based on the opinions of actual nhl scouts and executives. He does not compile other peopleís lists. Thatís why his are the gold standard.

I guess Iím just curious how you can say Svechnikov is the clear #2 in the face of all the proof he isnít and also when you only go by McKenzieís list and McKenzieís list isnít even out yet? Sarcasm
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Post by wprager on Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:26 pm

"He doesn't compile other people's lists"?

Can you explain that? Or don't you consider NHL scouts and executives as "people"?


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Post by Lagoon on Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:37 pm

wprager wrote:"He doesn't compile other people's lists"?

Can you explain that? Or don't you consider NHL scouts and executives as "people"?

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Post by wprager on Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:13 am

I'm not the biggest fan of Craig Button but he probably knows more about the draft eligible players than any single person. And outside of the top three he's often wrong.

The only draft I can recall with no clear, definitive #1 followed by the rest was the Taylor is Tyler. Interestingly, neither one later very long with the club that drafted them.


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Post by Lagoon on Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:21 pm

Button doesnít even rank a player unless he has seen them live at least 4 times. So as amazing as that is, he does completely omit some players. Heís unbelievably knowledgeable and his schedule is insane. I like his work, parameters he uses and rankings. He doesnít really look at individual team needs because he doesnít profess to know that. Some people such take cues from him there.Sarcasm
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Post by Lagoon on Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:53 pm

This guys knowledge and articles keep improving. It is a saturated field right now, but I like his April rankings.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-draft-ranking-april-2018/

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Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:57 pm

I agree most with these draft rankings. I was souring on Tkachuk myself..

Still unsure who I'd prefer - Zadina or Svechnikov at #2. I almost see it as Laine vs Kovalchuk as a comparison. I'd also take Bouchard > Boqvist given the size of Bouchard but it sounds like Boqvist's creativity is pretty close to Dhalin.

Either way Ottawa should be getting a really good player. First time since the Spezza pick that Ottawa has had a top five pick. Now trade Hoffman to EDM for their 1st and we're in business!!
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Post by Lagoon on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:20 pm

I agree with you that I like this latest link. I think it is the first one Iíve shared. Knowing that the Sens can draft in the Top 5 if they choose to do so, is amazing in this deep draft. Iím loving all the D and wingers.†
The more I get involved in preparing for the draft, it would surprise me if Bouchard went before Boqvist. A lot of people forget that Boqvist is almost a full year younger than his fellow draftees. I get the apprehension just because he needs to be tested on our smaller ice and more physical style. Other than that, Bouchard is only bigger.
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Post by PTFlea on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:41 pm

I'm interested in skill and hustle here. Get me a franchise winger to go with the franchise C we acquired. And re-sign Karlsson and we're good to go - or close to it.
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Post by Lagoon on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:46 pm

Sounds like you want Zadina in that case. You better hope only one team better than us this year wins one of the three lotteries.
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Post by PTFlea on Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:50 pm

Yeah, I guess that's the guy. I like the other forward and the D-man too though, so I won't be too upset. Maybe even Takdfhskachuk.
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Post by Lagoon on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:29 pm

PTFlea wrote:Yeah, I guess that's the guy. †I like the other forward and the D-man too though, so I won't be too upset. †Maybe even†Takdfhskachuk.
Laughing3Takdfhskachuk.
What D-man though? After Dahlin most likely goes 1st overall, I assume it is a coin flip between Boqvist and Hughes with the only distinguishable quality being one is a RHD, and the other a LHD. They will be the next Dís off the board in my opinion. After that, I think it is anyone best guess to rank Dobson and Bouchard. Depending on the team, when players are this close, team need might come into play earlier this year. Normally, when it comes to early picks, I subscribe to the best player available should be picked. I donít know who I like yet this year.
Either way we go, I love the depth of this draft, trust our drafting and hope we end up using our 1-5 selection this year. If we chose to give it to Colorado, I donít think Karlsson will be on our team next year.
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Post by Flo The Action on Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:26 pm

Lagoon wrote:
PTFlea wrote:Yeah, I guess that's the guy. †I like the other forward and the D-man too though, so I won't be too upset. †Maybe even†Takdfhskachuk.
Laughing3Takdfhskachuk.
What D-man though? After Dahlin most likely goes 1st overall, I assume it is a coin flip between Boqvist and Hughes with the only distinguishable quality being one is a RHD, and the other a LHD. They will be the next Dís off the board in my opinion. After that, I think it is anyone best guess to rank Dobson and Bouchard. Depending on the team, when players are this close, team need might come into play earlier this year. Normally, when it comes to early picks, I subscribe to the best player available should be picked. I donít know who I like yet this year.
Either way we go, I love the depth of this draft, trust our drafting and hope we end up using our 1-5 selection this year. If we chose to give it to Colorado, I donít think Karlsson will be on our team next year.
Out of those two Iíd take Boqvist
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Post by tim1_2 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 am

Lagoon wrote:
Either way we go, I love the depth of this draft, trust our drafting and hope we end up using our 1-5 selection this year. If we chose to give it to Colorado, I donít think Karlsson will be on our team next year.

Regardless of where the lottery falls, I don't think there's any chance the Sens management gives up the pick this year. There's just no way.
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Post by Lagoon on Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:37 am

I agree, just because I think this year was an aberration and we should be happy with adding an almost ready prospect with this draft. But at the same time, if management is actually considering not having Karlsson for the majority of next season, I donít see how their evaluation of this team without him isnít last place next year. Even still though, picking at worst case scenario 5th this year, is looking to be better than anything but Jack Hughes next year. So yes, I hope we keep this years pick for many reasons.
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Post by PTFlea on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Flo The Action wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
PTFlea wrote:Yeah, I guess that's the guy. †I like the other forward and the D-man too though, so I won't be too upset. †Maybe even†Takdfhskachuk.
Laughing3Takdfhskachuk.
What D-man though? After Dahlin most likely goes 1st overall, I assume it is a coin flip between Boqvist and Hughes with the only distinguishable quality being one is a RHD, and the other a LHD. They will be the next Dís off the board in my opinion. After that, I think it is anyone best guess to rank Dobson and Bouchard. Depending on the team, when players are this close, team need might come into play earlier this year. Normally, when it comes to early picks, I subscribe to the best player available should be picked. I donít know who I like yet this year.
Either way we go, I love the depth of this draft, trust our drafting and hope we end up using our 1-5 selection this year. If we chose to give it to Colorado, I donít think Karlsson will be on our team next year.
Out of those two Iíd take Boqvist

Yeah, I like the sound of Boqvist without knowing crap about him really.

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