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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:22 am

    Peter Regin > Alex Burrows (as a sen)

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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by PTFlea on Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:33 am

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:How? Karlsson, Harpur, Chabot, Boro are already signed with Ceci likely to be extended. That's five guys right there. Claesson will probably hit free agency and Wideman should be resigned although he probably won't. Not a lot of room to load up on D unless some trades start happening but who really wants Boro or Haprur? And Ceci statistically was one of the worst dmen in the league and will probably be resigned to some ludicrous contract

    Harpur and Boro can fight it out for the 6th spot, so really that's 4 spots with some huge holes. Just gaping wounds on that back end.

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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:59 am

    Missing #1 LHD, #3 RHD, and arguably #2 RHD with #1 RHD on the trade block. I think the D is better with Karlsson retained and paired with another dman who can play 25 minutes a night in a shutdown role. I believe Calgary expressed interest in Hoffman. Wonder if someone like Brodie or Hamilton would be available
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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Missing #1 LHD, #3 RHD, and arguably #2 RHD with #1 RHD on the trade block. I think the D is better with Karlsson retained and paired with another dman who can play 25 minutes a night in a shutdown role. I believe Calgary expressed interest in Hoffman. Wonder if someone like Brodie or Hamilton would be available

    For Hoffman they would have to cough up one of those
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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

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    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Missing #1 LHD, #3 RHD, and arguably #2 RHD with #1 RHD on the trade block. I think the D is better with Karlsson retained and paired with another dman who can play 25 minutes a night in a shutdown role. I believe Calgary expressed interest in Hoffman. Wonder if someone like Brodie or Hamilton would be available

    For Hoffman they would have to cough up one of those
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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by wprager on Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:34 pm

    DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Peter Regin > Alex Burrows (as a sen)

    Comparison was to Dahlen. PTFlea (or 504Heater, as he was known back then), was very bullish for one Peter Regin.

    My point is Dahlen has 2 AHL games and Craig Button's interview with a Vancouver talk radio station going for him at this point in time. A little early to state that he's going to be a heck of an NHL player.


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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:18 pm

    Wasn't he also spezdispenser? He wasn't alone as we all had high hopes for Regin. But Dhalen is showing flashes of being a good NHL player
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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by wprager on Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:11 pm

    Regin showed flashes *in* the NHL. In the *playoffs*, no less.

    Dahlen has a waits to go. Meanwhile we have several prospects just as promising.

    Look, I'm not a fan of that extension, but I remember at the time of the trade looking forward to what Burrows would bring to the table in the post-season; and also teaching the likes of White how to play that style and get away with it.

    It didn't happen the way I hoped but, at the time, I definitely like the possibilities.


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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by PTFlea on Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:51 pm

    I'll take the prospect of Dahlen being a good NHL player 1000 times over a washed up Burrows on a stupid contract. I think Dahlen makes it as a 2nd or 3rd liner, meanwhile we waived Burrows with no takers. Stupid.
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:46 am

    Again, there was no stupid contract until he extended him for 2 years. He could still have contributed in the playoffs if he want banged up.

    I still don't have an issue with bringing in a proven playoff guy who will do anything to win over a second rounder playing well against interior competition who may turn into a player 5 years later, the same as pretty much any other 2-3 rounder. We've had more luck with the later rounds than we've had with the 2nd round picks for some reason. What makes you think this one would turn out any different? And I'm not asking based on today's Intel but what we knew 2 years ago.


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    Cripes, I'm the conservative guy on here but then I know you have to give to get.


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    Post by wprager on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:47 am

    In hindsight we didn't get the player we expected but if we did, and without that extension, it was absolutely a good deal.


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    Post by wprager on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:48 am

    Hug-worthy, even.


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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by PTFlea on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:06 am

    I guess that's where we disagree then. For a guy like burrows, it's a 3rd rounder at most otherwise I'd look elsewhere like most other teams and get someone different.
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    Post by Flo The Action on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:42 pm

    wprager wrote:In hindsight we didn't get the player we expected but if we did, and without that extension, it was absolutely a good deal.

    But this is just it, he didnt look like he was the player he once was. It was obvious that he wasnt what he used to be.

    Dorion seems to have this problem, sees historical as predictor for future performance. And that doesnt work. Especially with players that are deteriorating or are getting older.

    Burrows, Anderson, Gaborik, even to an extent phaneuf( Im taking this was a Murray Dorion decision).
    At this point I think the kings won the phaneuf Gaborik trade. The only way this gets rescued is if gabs retires.

    If it doesnt it will look like Dorion emotionally wanted to punish phaneuf for not waiving his NTC last summer and wanted him out.
    Another emotional misdirected decision.

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    Post by DefenceWinsChampionships on Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:34 pm

    Thompson post knee surgery is another example. Oduya?
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    Re: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

    Post by PTFlea on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:11 pm

    Flo The Action wrote:
    wprager wrote:In hindsight we didn't get the player we expected but if we did, and without that extension, it was absolutely a good deal.

    But this is just it, he didnt look like he was the player he once was. It was obvious that he wasnt what he used to be.

    Dorion seems to have this problem, sees historical as predictor for future performance. And that doesnt work. Especially with players that are deteriorating or are getting older.

    Burrows, Anderson, Gaborik, even to an extent phaneuf( Im taking this was a Murray Dorion decision).
    At this point I think the kings won the phaneuf Gaborik trade. The only way this gets rescued is if gabs retires.

    If it doesnt it will look like Dorion emotionally wanted to punish phaneuf for not waiving his NTC last summer and wanted him out.
    Another emotional misdirected decision.

    I think Phaneuf is close to being done. His mobility in Ottawa went downhill so dramatically it was scary. Gaborik too, but at least he still has speed when he's healthy - when...
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    Post by wprager on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:21 pm

    If Burrows was "done" then that's the pro scouting, not just GM.

    Phaneuf (coming in) got rid of Cowen, Greening, Michalek contracts.

    Phaneuf going out swapped bad contracts, saving the Sens $2.425M (even after retaining 25%). If they buy out Gaborik they save a bit more.


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