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Flo The Action


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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:This year has been a literal nightmare for RFA’s. No one wants to sign a deal in the hopes of being able to get a contract that takes them to FA.
As much as everyone calls him the wonder kid, I think Dubas shot the entire league in the foot by giving Matthews that contract. Now all the noteable RFA’s are trying to get the same 5 year deal. I doubt that this is the case with white(although you never know) but this could certainly become an issue with Chabot.
Everyone is in a standstill waiting for the next shoe to drop. There will be more reasons to hate Dubas if he caves in and goes the same route with Marner as it will probably have a ripple effect around the league. Every kid and his agent now thinks they can land two big contracts and have complete control over their destiny much sooner.

Dubas did this to himself. Signing Tavares threw everything in Toronto out of whack. He could have saved face by trading Nylander but instead has shown the rest of the league the power of player holdouts. Nylander became the 'way forward' and Matthews' contract became 'the bar'. I'd have never thought someone like Matthew Tkachuk or Kyle Conner would get over $6.5M on an RFA deal and now have real shots making $8M+. Now these guys sit out 10-15 games, the team panics when they lose games they should be winning, and they give in to their demands.

If I were Chabot I'd be doing the same thing. The difference in Ottawa is that I do believe there will be a management change and a commitment to spend money over the next couple of seasons. Use this year as a growing year, develop the young guys in the NHL and AHL, get a top 2 pick, and all of a sudden you have a really competitive team. Hopefully Chabot (and Tkachuk) see that, Melnyk sells, and the Sens are setup for the next decade.

I think you’re right, dumbas not only Cussed his team but the rest of the league. And everything in terms of future with this team’s hinges on Melnyk selling. PLayers willingness to resign certainly is.
The more I think about it, the less I see Chabot resigning with the team before next summer. There is going to be this underlining threat that he may want to utilize that he could sign a front loaded offer sheet that Melnyk wouldn’t want to match so that he may bargain a 5 year contract that brings him to UFA if it gets done before next summer.

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If this was Melnyk people would have a field day. The canes owner is just as cheap and weird

https://www.nhl.com/news/dundon-expects-waddell-to-stay-with-hurricanes/c-308465768?tcid=tw_news_content_id

Flo The Action


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Ev wrote:If this was Melnyk people would have a field day. The canes owner is just as cheap and weird

https://www.nhl.com/news/dundon-expects-waddell-to-stay-with-hurricanes/c-308465768?tcid=tw_news_content_id

ouf... that was interesting. I don't know if that's cheap or just a very financial sector business way of doing things. it's obviously a way not to get stuck with having to pay him if he gets fired and a way to keep a lit fire under his Donkey.

but lets face it, it's not the way things work in the NHL. Tom Dundon will learn. it's not a great move on his part. but people don't care that much in Carolina. Melnyk would have been roasted for this.

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Flo The Action wrote:
Ev wrote:If this was Melnyk people would have a field day. The canes owner is just as cheap and weird

https://www.nhl.com/news/dundon-expects-waddell-to-stay-with-hurricanes/c-308465768?tcid=tw_news_content_id

ouf... that was interesting. I don't know if that's cheap or just a very financial sector business way of doing things. it's obviously a way not to get stuck with having to pay him if he gets fired and a way to keep a lit fire under his Donkey.

but lets face it, it's not the way things work in the NHL. Tom Dundon will learn. it's not a great move on his part. but people don't care that much in Carolina. Melnyk would have been roasted for this.  

Yeah they are also the team who spends the least on coaches and management combined according to Dreger, I believe.

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He can have a contract if he wants one? Then get one dumb dumb.


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Flo The Action

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Ev wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
Ev wrote:If this was Melnyk people would have a field day. The canes owner is just as cheap and weird

https://www.nhl.com/news/dundon-expects-waddell-to-stay-with-hurricanes/c-308465768?tcid=tw_news_content_id

ouf... that was interesting. I don't know if that's cheap or just a very financial sector business way of doing things. it's obviously a way not to get stuck with having to pay him if he gets fired and a way to keep a lit fire under his Donkey.

but lets face it, it's not the way things work in the NHL. Tom Dundon will learn. it's not a great move on his part. but people don't care that much in Carolina. Melnyk would have been roasted for this.  

Yeah they are also the team who spends the least on coaches and management combined according to Dreger, I believe.

It was very telling how people were declining to interview in Carolina earlier in the year. It’s a bit of a Dung show there. Maybe he’s trying to push the hockey culture to change. Maybe he’ll have to bite the bullet and learn.

I mean, Ottawa got a real wake up call also. No one seems interested in the POHO position either. And people keep leaving the organization. It’s a total Dung show. Only difference is we may have a change of ownership at one point. *crossed fingers*

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Dont hold your breath on an ownership change...

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With any luck the STH numbers will drive Melnyk back to drinking and his new liver will quit just like his executive suite.


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Flo The Action

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wprager wrote:With any luck the STH numbers will drive Melnyk back to drinking and his new liver will quit just like his executive suite.

Wow... you went there.

I bet his daughter would sell the team.

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:With any luck the STH numbers will drive Melnyk back to drinking and his new liver will quit just like his executive suite.

Wow... you went there.

I bet his daughter would sell the team.

I used to know people in ticket sales. I no longer do. Wish I knew what the Sens were at. All I know is a few friends who've had tickets for a decade + are not renewing.

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:With any luck the STH numbers will drive Melnyk back to drinking and his new liver will quit just like his executive suite.

Wow... you went there.

I bet his daughter would sell the team.

I used to know people in ticket sales. I no longer do. Wish I knew what the Sens were at. All I know is a few friends who've had tickets for a decade + are not renewing.

I know someone on the "inside". Let's just say things are as bad as they've ever been.

Flo The Action

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tim1_2 wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:With any luck the STH numbers will drive Melnyk back to drinking and his new liver will quit just like his executive suite.

Wow... you went there.

I bet his daughter would sell the team.

I used to know people in ticket sales. I no longer do. Wish I knew what the Sens were at. All I know is a few friends who've had tickets for a decade + are not renewing.

I know someone on the "inside".  Let's just say things are as bad as they've ever been.
Don’t hold out buddy. Spill the beans...

Flo The Action

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I don’t know about 6 guys that could go first overall but it’s a tighter race.
We will get a hell of a player from this draft.
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-director-of-scouting-craig-button-s-quick-thoughts-on-the-2020-nhl-draft-prospects-1.1350171

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Flo The Action wrote:I don’t know about 6 guys that could go first overall but it’s a tighter race.
We will get a hell of a player from this draft.
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-director-of-scouting-craig-button-s-quick-thoughts-on-the-2020-nhl-draft-prospects-1.1350171

I don’t see anyone but Lafreniere going 1st overall. He’s just too much of everything good. I’m only tempted by Byfield because I’ve got nothing to lose. The top 6 is indeed filthy. There might be a top 8 by the time the draft rolls around.

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Flo The Action wrote:I don’t know about 6 guys that could go first overall but it’s a tighter race.
We will get a hell of a player from this draft.
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-director-of-scouting-craig-button-s-quick-thoughts-on-the-2020-nhl-draft-prospects-1.1350171

Maybe even two:)


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DefenceWinsChampionships


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I wonder if the Flames would be interested in Lajoie with Valimaki out for the season. Pretty big blow for the Flames. Lajoie could be an inexpensive bottom pairing dman for them.

Flo The Action

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I wonder if the Flames would be interested in Lajoie with Valimaki out for the season. Pretty big blow for the Flames. Lajoie could be an inexpensive bottom pairing dman for them.
Im not familiar with the flames prospect pool but don’t they have a guy they could bring up from the minors?

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Part of me is loving the RFA chaos this summer. Tons of teams are waiting for some team to make the first signing. You’ve got some huge names up there and all GM’s are playing a game of wait and see.

Honestly it all comes back to the Austin Matthew deal. The truth is teams can’t afford to be giving those contracts to players right out of ELCs. The cap did not go up but contracts have. There is a lot of teams that will be in trouble.

That’s why I’d love to get Chabot on a 8-8.5 deal Max term. Even if that’s not looking like that will happen under current ownership.

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