Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:26 am

    PKC wrote:
    Good work. That's who I believe is being referred to.

    At what cost though?

    EDIT: I must have missed a couple of posts.

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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by Acrobat on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:27 am

    OK, maybe Neil and third isn't so good - they already have six RW.
    Just send the third...

    OK, fine,...add a conditional third for next year (2010) if he extends.

    Better yet, would they take Hennessy and a fourth?


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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:27 am

    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    Good work. That's who I believe is being referred to.

    At what cost though?

    EDIT: I must have missed a couple of posts.

    That's my question. I'm going to assume a draft pick or low to mid range prospect does the trick.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:28 am

    Acrobat wrote:JJ

    Salary fits.
    Position fits.
    Not necessarily what I would call "young", but definitely not old (1.812 next year, then RFA with arb next year)
    Def. underrated.
    Def. a physical force.

    I approve.
    Not that it makes a whiff of a difference.

    Send them Neil and a third, and call it a day.

    I think they want an offensive D-man. I'm not sure Neil works in this case. Frank, both teams need that offensive D-man...
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by Acrobat on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:30 am

    Well, they can't have ours (I'm not sure we can have ours...)
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by beerandsens on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:31 am

    It looks like we agree on this one. He would be a good fit. Now we have to wait and see if it happens. Tampa has to do something to level out the offensive/defensive balance before the season starts.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:34 am

    PKC wrote:
    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    Good work. That's who I believe is being referred to.

    At what cost though?

    EDIT: I must have missed a couple of posts.

    That's my question. I'm going to assume a draft pick or low to mid range prospect does the trick.

    So we have 6.5 million left...Jokinen makes 1.8, leaving us with 4.7 million. Schneider costs 5.6, so that would leave us with -0.9 million to clear in order to have the 1.5 million to save for injuries etc.

    Now we have an extra forward - and a really good one...we can shed that million someone.

    So now we have:

    Vermette - Spezza - Heatley
    Jokinen - Fisher - Alfie
    Foligno - Kelly - Donovan
    Ruutu - Bass - Neil

    Phillips - Volchenkov
    Schneider - Lee
    Schubert - Smith

    Yes...I'm suggesting trading Meszaros for Jokinen.
    Shocked!
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:34 am

    504Heater wrote:
    Acrobat wrote:JJ

    Salary fits.
    Position fits.
    Not necessarily what I would call "young", but definitely not old (1.812 next year, then RFA with arb next year)
    Def. underrated.
    Def. a physical force.

    I approve.
    Not that it makes a whiff of a difference.

    Send them Neil and a third, and call it a day.

    I think they want an offensive D-man. I'm not sure Neil works in this case. Frank, both teams need that offensive D-man...

    I'm not really sure they do, to be honest. They already have Carle, Kuba and Ranger. I'd imagine if they really NEEDED an offensive defenseman, then they probably wouldn't have traded Boyle away.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by beerandsens on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:40 am

    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    Good work. That's who I believe is being referred to.

    At what cost though?

    EDIT: I must have missed a couple of posts.

    That's my question. I'm going to assume a draft pick or low to mid range prospect does the trick.

    So we have 6.5 million left...Jokinen makes 1.8, leaving us with 4.7 million. Schneider costs 5.6, so that would leave us with -0.9 million to clear in order to have the 1.5 million to save for injuries etc.

    Now we have an extra forward - and a really good one...we can shed that million someone.

    So now we have:

    Vermette - Spezza - Heatley
    Jokinen - Fisher - Alfie
    Foligno - Kelly - Donovan
    Ruutu - Bass - Neil

    Phillips - Volchenkov
    Schneider - Lee
    Schubert - Smith

    Yes...I'm suggesting trading Meszaros for Jokinen.
    Shocked!

    My first instinct is that wouldn't be bad at all. Today's Meszaros (complete with unsigned/RFA status) for Jokinen seems like an easy way to resolve this issue. What I'm not sure of is how much Meszaros and Jokinen will improve. We could really end up screwed when Schneider retires, and if Mesz improves a bunch we will look really fools.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:41 am

    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    Good work. That's who I believe is being referred to.

    At what cost though?

    EDIT: I must have missed a couple of posts.

    That's my question. I'm going to assume a draft pick or low to mid range prospect does the trick.

    So we have 6.5 million left...Jokinen makes 1.8, leaving us with 4.7 million. Schneider costs 5.6, so that would leave us with -0.9 million to clear in order to have the 1.5 million to save for injuries etc.

    Now we have an extra forward - and a really good one...we can shed that million someone.

    So now we have:

    Vermette - Spezza - Heatley
    Jokinen - Fisher - Alfie
    Foligno - Kelly - Donovan
    Ruutu - Bass - Neil

    Phillips - Volchenkov
    Schneider - Lee
    Schubert - Smith

    Yes...I'm suggesting trading Meszaros for Jokinen.
    Shocked!

    Fisher (4.2) - Spezza (7) - Heatley (7.5) ---- [18.7]
    Jokinen (1.812) - Vermette (2.763) - Alfredsson (4.339) ---- [8.914]
    Donovan (0.6) - Kelly (2.125) - Ruutu (1.3) ---- [4.025]
    Neil (1.1) - Bass (0.513) - Schubert (0.885) ---- [2.498]

    Call-ups: Winchester/Zubov/Nikulin/Yablonski/Mackenzie/Weller/Hennessey

    Phillips (3.5) - Meszaros (2.75)
    volchenkov (2.5) - Lee (1.25)
    Nycholat (0.55) - Smith (2.6)

    Call-ups: Bell/Carkner

    Gerber (3.7)
    Auld (1)
    Emery (0.479)

    total of 52.466

    Leave that money for trade deadline. This team might be ready for another lengthy playoff. Pick up Bouwmeester at the deadline, and I'm actually starting to drool thinking of where this team might end up in May/June/July.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:44 am

    PKC wrote:
    Fisher (4.2) - Spezza (7) - Heatley (7.5) ---- [18.7]
    Jokinen (1.812) - Vermette (2.763) - Alfredsson (4.339) ---- [8.914]
    Donovan (0.6) - Kelly (2.125) - Ruutu (1.3) ---- [4.025]
    Neil (1.1) - Bass (0.513) - Schubert (0.885) ---- [2.498]

    Call-ups: Winchester/Zubov/Nikulin/Yablonski/Mackenzie/Weller/Hennessey

    Phillips (3.5) - Meszaros (2.75)
    volchenkov (2.5) - Lee (1.25)
    Nycholat (0.55) - Smith (2.6)

    Call-ups: Bell/Carkner

    Gerber (3.7)
    Auld (1)
    Emery (0.479)

    total of 52.466

    Leave that money for trade deadline. This team might be ready for another lengthy playoff. Pick up Bouwmeester at the deadline, and I'm actually starting to drool thinking of where this team might end up in May/June/July.

    Sure, I would prefer to have a puck mover to run the PP and teach Lee though...but it's hard to do that and still have $$ left for the deadline.

    At this pace, I have no idea how our transition game would look though...
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by Acrobat on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:48 am

    504Heater wrote:
    So now we have:

    Vermette - Spezza - Heatley
    Jokinen - Fisher - Alfie
    Foligno - Kelly - Donovan
    Ruutu - Bass - Neil

    Phillips - Volchenkov
    Schneider - Lee
    Schubert - Smith

    Yes...I'm suggesting trading Meszaros for Jokinen.
    Shocked!

    Can't agree with this one...

    You have to hang on Mez...he'll come around eventually. Schneider is a short term solution, if he even is a solution.
    I'd also like to see Fish on the wing (I'm adamant about this - Jokinen is the physical force we need on the 1B line, Fish can do that on the 1A line). Vermette can take the draws on 1B. Juggle the D, and you have:

    Fisher/Spezza/Heater (or Heater/Spezza/Fisher since Heatley has played both wings)
    Jokinen/Vermette/Alfie
    Ruutu/Bass/Neil (I'm not sure about this - I'd be happy with trading Neil; as much as I like him, we don't need him)
    Foligno/Kelly/Donovan
    (Winchester)

    Volchenkov/Mez
    Phillips/Lee
    Schubert/Smith
    (Nycholat)

    If we trade Neil, consider moving Schubert up to Neil's spot, slide Nycholat in at the 5/6, and make sure we have a servicable #7D (Bell?)

    Lines 3 & 4 are interchangable (3A & 3B?) - depends what you need. PK and PP are "mix and match". Shutdown tandems may involve some juggling of D, but if they play to potential then maybe not.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:51 am

    Acrobat wrote:
    Can't agree with this one...

    You have to hang on Mez...he'll come around eventually. Schneider is a short term solution, if he even is a solution.
    I'd also like to see Fish on the wing (I'm adamant about this - Jokinen is the physical force we need on the 1B line, Fish can do that on the 1A line). Vermette can take the draws on 1B. Juggle the D, and you have:

    Fisher/Spezza/Heater (or Heater/Spezza/Fisher since Heatley has played both wings)
    Jokinen/Vermette/Alfie
    Ruutu/Bass/Neil (I'm not sure about this - I'd be happy with trading Neil; as much as I like him, we don't need him)
    Foligno/Kelly/Donovan
    (Winchester)

    Volchenkov/Mez
    Phillips/Lee
    Schubert/Smith
    (Nycholat)

    If we trade Neil, consider moving Schubert up to Neil's spot, slide Nycholat in at the 5/6, and make sure we have a servicable #7D (Bell?)

    Lines 3 & 4 are interchangable (3A & 3B?) - depends what you need. PK and PP are "mix and match". Shutdown tandems may involve some juggling of D, but if they play to potential then maybe not.

    That's fair. See the friggin ridiculous situation we're in. I want J.Jokinen - and now I realize I've wanted him for a while. I have a hard time giving up Schubert and a pick for him though. I really do. I don't see anyone else we could offer TB where they'd be pleased.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:54 am

    504Heater wrote:
    PKC wrote:
    Fisher (4.2) - Spezza (7) - Heatley (7.5) ---- [18.7]
    Jokinen (1.812) - Vermette (2.763) - Alfredsson (4.339) ---- [8.914]
    Donovan (0.6) - Kelly (2.125) - Ruutu (1.3) ---- [4.025]
    Neil (1.1) - Bass (0.513) - Schubert (0.885) ---- [2.498]

    Call-ups: Winchester/Zubov/Nikulin/Yablonski/Mackenzie/Weller/Hennessey

    Phillips (3.5) - Meszaros (2.75)
    volchenkov (2.5) - Lee (1.25)
    Nycholat (0.55) - Smith (2.6)

    Call-ups: Bell/Carkner

    Gerber (3.7)
    Auld (1)
    Emery (0.479)

    total of 52.466

    Leave that money for trade deadline. This team might be ready for another lengthy playoff. Pick up Bouwmeester at the deadline, and I'm actually starting to drool thinking of where this team might end up in May/June/July.

    Sure, I would prefer to have a puck mover to run the PP and teach Lee though...but it's hard to do that and still have $$ left for the deadline.

    At this pace, I have no idea how our transition game would look though...

    I think Lee's best teacher is going to be Hartsburg.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:00 am

    504Heater wrote:

    Yes...I'm suggesting trading Meszaros for Jokinen.
    Shocked!

    I'd trade Meszaros for Jokinen.......................................................and Ty Wishart.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by Acrobat on Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:09 am

    One thing I didn't do is work out the salary implications of my lineup - although it looks close enough to what PKC wrote to call it a wash. That leaves about $3.5M in the bank for later - maybe Luongo or Brodeur want to join us for the run to the cup?
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PTFlea on Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:12 am

    ...to be continued. I gotta hit the hay. 'Night all.
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    Re: Which top 6 will Brian Murray target?

    Post by PKC on Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:18 am

    Acrobat wrote:One thing I didn't do is work out the salary implications of my lineup - although it looks close enough to what PKC wrote to call it a wash. That leaves about $3.5M in the bank for later - maybe Luongo or Brodeur want to join us for the run to the cup?

    Would require so much in a trade to acquire one of those guys that it would leave us with a devastated lineup.

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