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1 Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:13 pm

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My question for the members of the forum is this:

Regardless of the Sens standings at the time; if a team in serious contention were to offer 3 very solid prospects and an early round draft pick without a roster replacement for Spezza, would you take it?
Think: Abdelkader, Leino, Helm and a 2nd round pick for just Spezza.
Try to forget the specifics and whether or not Detroit would actually do it (because they most certainly would not) just focus on the theory behind it:

Would you take three quality prospects with second (maybe even first) line potential, that will undoubtedly crack the lineup within 2 years, for Spezza?

If not, and if a "franchise" player were not coming in return, what would it take - realistically - for you to willingly trade Spezza? Would it take a mixture of roster players, picks, and prospects? Would a couple roster players do it for you? Would they be young and enthusiastic or would they be experienced and cagey?

AND if you cannot part with Spezza without a potential franchise player coming in return, who do you believe to be in Spezza's "class"? Who would be worth the young playmaker? Would it be straight up or would you need more than just that one player - or would you need to give up more than just Spezza?

2 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:44 pm

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To be honest with you, I'm not sure what his trade value is right now, but it doesn't matter.

He's getting his name thrown around a LOT lately, and I'm just not on that wagon.

I still feel it would be a mistake to trade him. End of story. I definitely would NOT trade him unless it was another roster player coming back of equal skill (I'm a believer that the winner of the trade is often the one receiving the best player in the deal), and trading him wouldn't help the team.

If I were to trade Spezza, it would be to upgrade at center. The only way to do that would be to trade Spezza for a better centerman, and you won't find many of those available. Would I do Spezza for Getzlaf? Yes, but we'd have to sweeten the pot.

Would I trade Spezza for a franchise D-man? No. We're thin enough down the middle with nothing similar in the system. Trading Spezza would set this team back 3-4 years if we're not replacing his points at center on the top line. Fisher can't do it, Vermette can't do it, Kelly can't do it, and no one on the farm can do it.

That's my take.

3 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:46 pm

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mattshock wrote:To be honest with you, I'm not sure what his trade value is right now, but it doesn't matter.

He's getting his name thrown around a LOT lately, and I'm just not on that wagon.

I still feel it would be a mistake to trade him. End of story. I definitely would NOT trade him unless it was another roster player coming back of equal skill (I'm a believer that the winner of the trade is often the one receiving the best player in the deal), and trading him wouldn't help the team.

If I were to trade Spezza, it would be to upgrade at center. The only way to do that would be to trade Spezza for a better centerman, and you won't find many of those available. Would I do Spezza for Getzlaf? Yes, but we'd have to sweeten the pot.

Would I trade Spezza for a franchise D-man? No. We're thin enough down the middle with nothing similar in the system. Trading Spezza would set this team back 3-4 years if we're not replacing his points at center on the top line. Fisher can't do it, Vermette can't do it, Kelly can't do it, and no one on the farm can do it.

That's my take.
With you 100%

4 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:51 pm

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Thanks beerandsens!!

Hopefully no one else is reading this in one inch compressed segments...

5 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:51 pm

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Let's see if this stretches it out..

6 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:51 pm

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Fail.

7 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:12 pm

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Its not tough to look around the league and see a PPG center on most of the teams in the league. More than a couple teams have 2. Spezza isnt an irreplaceable asset we have. If he was dealt mid season then we wouldnt be able to replace him, probably not no. This is for the team going forward, NOT for this year.

8 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:25 pm

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There are only two players I trade Spezza for...

Getzlaf and Luongo...

9 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:31 pm

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Dawg's Wife wrote:There are only two players I trade Spezza for...

Getzlaf and Luongo...
I'm just putting this out there, its just a thought, but-


Spezza, Ott 1st, SJ 1st

for Thornton

10 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:42 pm

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Tukker wrote:
Dawg's Wife wrote:There are only two players I trade Spezza for...

Getzlaf and Luongo...
I'm just putting this out there, its just a thought, but-


Spezza, Ott 1st, SJ 1st

for Thornton

I dunno if Thornton would even be the answer here. So far, both of their careers are very similar. Also, right now, I wouldnt touch our 1st rounder. After tonight its very possible that is a lotto pick.

11 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:43 pm

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I'd listen closely to any trades involving Thornton, Getzlaf, or Luongo.

Luongo though, we'd have some BIG problems at center. Bigger than our current goaltending problems. We'd have to swing a second deal for a centerman, then we have other problems.

As much as I love Luongo, it almost seems like 2 steps forwards and 2.5 back.

12 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:47 pm

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Dawg's Wife wrote:There are only two players I trade Spezza for...

Getzlaf and Luongo...

What if it was for Turris & Tikhonov?

13 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:48 pm

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Getzlaf I'd do pretty quickly. Thornton or Luongo, I'd be a little hesitant, mainly for the same points you mentioned Matt.

I think if anyone is going to be moved, it will be either Kelly, Vermette, A-train and/or Phillips.

14 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:49 pm

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You'd hesitate to do Luongo for Spezza? I'd do that faster than Garrioch could inhale a cheese pizza.

15 Re: Spezza trade on Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:50 pm

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Cronenbergfan wrote:Getzlaf I'd do pretty quickly. Thornton or Luongo, I'd be a little hesitant, mainly for the same points you mentioned Matt.

I think if anyone is going to be moved, it will be either Kelly, Vermette, A-train and/or Phillips.

Getzlaf might be the best center in the game now.

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