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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by Riprock on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:45 pm

    OMG, this is hilarious... Eklund claims there's a rumour that Vermette will be traded to Nashville for Greg DeVries, though something else will be added to the deal to sweeten the pot for Ottawa... yeah, like not having DeVries and getting someone like Franson and Hamhuis.

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    Post by PTFlea on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:05 am

    DashRiprock wrote:OMG, this is hilarious... Eklund claims there's a rumour that Vermette will be traded to Nashville for Greg DeVries, though something else will be added to the deal to sweeten the pot for Ottawa... yeah, like not having DeVries and getting someone like Franson and Hamhuis.

    :D Yeah, that's the pot sweetener. That we don't have to take DeVries. I'll take Weber for Spezza. Or Vermette for Hamuis. But the day Murray trades Vermette for DeVries is the day he's finally lost his mind and should/will be relieved of his duty.

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    Post by dennycrane on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:11 am

    More often than not, the team that gives up the best player loses the deal in the long run. I can't see Ottawa getting a player as good as Spezza back.

    To the original post, I would not trade Spezza for prospects and a pick. I doubt that I would trade him anyways. If I were to, I would want a young established star and a first round pick or two. Vermette, Fisher, Kelly, and McAmmond down the middle isn't horrible if you add in 1 or 2 better wingers and an offensive d-man.

    Fisher/Kelly - same sort of strong defensive player who chips in a point every other game. Combined, they are a cap hit of 6.4 million for the next four years including this one. Does this seem like a luxury to anyone else?

    My bet is that 2 of Kelly, Vermette, Neil, and Fisher are gone by this time next week. It just isn't working anymore.
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by PTFlea on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:29 am

    dennycrane wrote:More often than not, the team that gives up the best player loses the deal in the long run. I can't see Ottawa getting a player as good as Spezza back.

    To the original post, I would not trade Spezza for prospects and a pick. I doubt that I would trade him anyways. If I were to, I would want a young established star and a first round pick or two. Vermette, Fisher, Kelly, and McAmmond down the middle isn't horrible if you add in 1 or 2 better wingers and an offensive d-man.

    Fisher/Kelly - same sort of strong defensive player who chips in a point every other game. Combined, they are a cap hit of 6.4 million for the next four years including this one. Does this seem like a luxury to anyone else?

    My bet is that 2 of Kelly, Vermette, Neil, and Fisher are gone by this time next week. It just isn't working anymore.

    How do you move Fisher though? Do you approach him about waiving his NMC, or do I have that wrong? If it hasn't kicked it yet, I would trade Mike Fisher so quickly your head would spin. Bring in the quality D-man!
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by dennycrane on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:11 am

    First, you trade his best buddy Chris Neil. Then you approach him. It's cold, but most players will give in, as they will feel unwanted when their employer wants them to go elsewhere.

    Say you worked at Burger King and the manager came in and said "I want you to go work at McDonald's." How bad would you want to go in for your next shift?

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    Post by Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:55 am

    I don't think Fisher would Redden us if Murray asked him to waive. Just doesn't seem like that type of guy. Of course I would have said the same about Redden.
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by dennycrane on Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:35 am

    Blame Muckler for the NTC.
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    Post by PKC on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:16 pm

    I really don't think moving any of these guys will get you anything of fair value. Fisher is having a bad season so far. As is Vermette. And actually the whole team obviously. We'd end up getting hosed. If we can ride it out for a bit longer and either make a deadline move or find a way to get Bouwmeester in to our lineup, we'll be really good down the stretch.
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by jamvan on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:40 pm

    dennycrane wrote:First, you trade his best buddy Chris Neil. Then you approach him. It's cold, but most players will give in, as they will feel unwanted when their employer wants them to go elsewhere.

    Say you worked at Burger King and the manager came in and said "I want you to go work at McDonald's." How bad would you want to go in for your next shift?
    How long is Neil out for now? This might hurt the trade scenario.

    I wouldn't count on Fisher even being approached to waive, they won't trade him.

    I think it will be Vermette, Schubert and a 1st rounder

    for Bouwmeester and Weiss

    THis is just something I heard in discussion late last night. Although, Martin is still talking to JayBo to sign with them long term

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    Post by Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:48 pm

    jamvan wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:First, you trade his best buddy Chris Neil. Then you approach him. It's cold, but most players will give in, as they will feel unwanted when their employer wants them to go elsewhere.

    Say you worked at Burger King and the manager came in and said "I want you to go work at McDonald's." How bad would you want to go in for your next shift?
    How long is Neil out for now? This might hurt the trade scenario.

    I wouldn't count on Fisher even being approached to waive, they won't trade him.

    I think it will be Vermette, Schubert and a 1st rounder

    for Bouwmeester and Weiss

    THis is just something I heard in discussion late last night. Although, Martin is still talking to JayBo to sign with them long term

    That just doesn't seem like enough for Bouw AND Weiss (who is signed for a nice 3.1 for the next 4 years past this one).

    Really think about what Martin gets in return for his franchise D-man and a good young player signed to a sweetheart of a deal. Vermette has never reached his potential (at least what he says his potential is), Schubert while a great utility guy, hasn't been able to stick as a D-man (although it's look more and more like this is the time), and a first which could be easily middle of the pack.

    You said you heard this in discussion? Is this a source or just stuff being tossed around on the net? Because if that's actually being considered, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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    Post by Sens4thecup on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:01 pm

    hemlock34 wrote:
    jamvan wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:First, you trade his best buddy Chris Neil. Then you approach him. It's cold, but most players will give in, as they will feel unwanted when their employer wants them to go elsewhere.

    Say you worked at Burger King and the manager came in and said "I want you to go work at McDonald's." How bad would you want to go in for your next shift?
    How long is Neil out for now? This might hurt the trade scenario.

    I wouldn't count on Fisher even being approached to waive, they won't trade him.

    I think it will be Vermette, Schubert and a 1st rounder

    for Bouwmeester and Weiss

    Maybe throw in Kelly, take away Weiss and add Ballard? (man crush)

    THis is just something I heard in discussion late last night. Although, Martin is still talking to JayBo to sign with them long term

    That just doesn't seem like enough for Bouw AND Weiss (who is signed for a nice 3.1 for the next 4 years past this one).

    Really think about what Martin gets in return for his franchise D-man and a good young player signed to a sweetheart of a deal. Vermette has never reached his potential (at least what he says his potential is), Schubert while a great utility guy, hasn't been able to stick as a D-man (although it's look more and more like this is the time), and a first which could be easily middle of the pack.

    You said you heard this in discussion? Is this a source or just stuff being tossed around on the net? Because if that's actually being considered, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

    Maybe throw in Kelly, take away Weiss and add Ballard? (man crush)

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    Post by Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:04 pm

    Sens4thecup wrote:
    hemlock34 wrote:
    jamvan wrote:
    dennycrane wrote:First, you trade his best buddy Chris Neil. Then you approach him. It's cold, but most players will give in, as they will feel unwanted when their employer wants them to go elsewhere.

    Say you worked at Burger King and the manager came in and said "I want you to go work at McDonald's." How bad would you want to go in for your next shift?
    How long is Neil out for now? This might hurt the trade scenario.

    I wouldn't count on Fisher even being approached to waive, they won't trade him.

    I think it will be Vermette, Schubert and a 1st rounder

    for Bouwmeester and Weiss

    Maybe throw in Kelly, take away Weiss and add Ballard? (man crush)

    THis is just something I heard in discussion late last night. Although, Martin is still talking to JayBo to sign with them long term

    That just doesn't seem like enough for Bouw AND Weiss (who is signed for a nice 3.1 for the next 4 years past this one).

    Really think about what Martin gets in return for his franchise D-man and a good young player signed to a sweetheart of a deal. Vermette has never reached his potential (at least what he says his potential is), Schubert while a great utility guy, hasn't been able to stick as a D-man (although it's look more and more like this is the time), and a first which could be easily middle of the pack.

    You said you heard this in discussion? Is this a source or just stuff being tossed around on the net? Because if that's actually being considered, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

    Maybe throw in Kelly, take away Weiss and add Ballard? (man crush)

    Ballard too is on a sexy little contract. I'd say his value is at least that of Weiss if not more. Maybe Kelly gets it done, but Martin sending away Ballard AND Bouwmeester seems suicidal to me.

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    Post by Sens4thecup on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:12 pm

    Instead of that package, why not send Spezza and Vermette for J Bo and Ballard?

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    Post by Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:13 pm

    Sens4thecup wrote:Instead of that package, why not send Spezza and Vermette for J Bo and Ballard?

    Because we'd have next to no offense left. No way we can trade Spezza and Vermette without getting at least a forward back.

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    Post by Sens4thecup on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:15 pm

    hemlock34 wrote:
    Sens4thecup wrote:Instead of that package, why not send Spezza and Vermette for J Bo and Ballard?

    Because we'd have next to no offense left. No way we can trade Spezza and Vermette without getting at least a forward back.

    I'm just thinking of rebuilding a defensive minded team.
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by Riprock on Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:17 pm

    Just some more information, from the guys that bring you the OHL... Spezza is a fantastic player, no question, but one of few superstar players on the team that they can trade. Vermette isn't a superstar and the other guys have NTC's. They likely see a team with cap space taking him (LA) or the deal will be a salary swap.

    They also think that there are two dominoes to fall first: Sundin then Gaborik.
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by PKC on Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:16 pm

    Do you guys think we'd be able to get Patrick O'Sullivan out of LA for Vermette and a 1st?
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    Re: Spezza trade

    Post by PTFlea on Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:21 pm

    jamvan wrote:
    I think it will be Vermette, Schubert and a 1st rounder

    for Bouwmeester and Weiss

    THis is just something I heard in discussion late last night. Although, Martin is still talking to JayBo to sign with them long term

    Really? That would be the steal of the century for us. I can see that package getting Bow, but that much?

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