Bettman blocked trade of Vinny? TB still interested in moving him?

http://www.crashthecrease.com/2010/02/01/bettman-nixed-lecavalier-to-montreal-deal-in-june/

News to me to be honest. I didn't realize that it was fact that a trade got blocked, nor did I realized Vinny was OFFICIALLY on the market. Maybe it has something to do with the fools that keep making proposals everywhere, I mistook that for an actual rumour.

So..is he leaving TB? Hmmm...

He won't leave until the offseason at the earliest. A few home playoff dates for Tampa just about covers Lecavalier's salary for the season, and the Lightning are still in it.

Sounds about right, the OK group did seem to seriously blow up around that time.

This guy is on the decline, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole with that contract.

SDH89 wrote:This guy is on the decline, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole with that contract.

ME ME ME! I want him...

SDH89 wrote:This guy is on the decline, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole with that contract.

I second that, shoulder surgery, and double wrist surgery in the last 3 years....I'd gladly take a pass on him.

You guys are crazy, he needed time to get fully healthy. He's good to go now, 90 points minimum next year.

SpezDispenser wrote:You guys are crazy, he needed time to get fully healthy. He's good to go now, 90 points minimum next year.

Wasn't he surgery free this summer?

Two seasons to get back at it? Starting to sound like Cheechoo-esqe statements

M_Christopher wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You guys are crazy, he needed time to get fully healthy. He's good to go now, 90 points minimum next year.

Wasn't he surgery free this summer?

Two seasons to get back at it?

?? Diddle man, you're confusing me...no, I think he had surgery this summer.

M_Christopher wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You guys are crazy, he needed time to get fully healthy. He's good to go now, 90 points minimum next year.

Wasn't he surgery free this summer?

Two seasons to get back at it? Starting to sound like Cheechoo-esqe statements

Rick Nash?

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You guys are crazy, he needed time to get fully healthy. He's good to go now, 90 points minimum next year.

Wasn't he surgery free this summer?

Two seasons to get back at it? Starting to sound like Cheechoo-esqe statements

Rick Nash?

Hey thats just plain mean Nash is the greatest Canadian-ever, he is a national treasure!

M_Christopher wrote:
Hey thats just plain mean Nash is the greatest Canadian-ever, he is a national treasure!

No, I was wondering why you put Nash there all of a sudden. Figured you to be a Sens avatar kinda guy. The NPH on a unicorn was cute, but Rick Nash?

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:
Hey thats just plain mean Nash is the greatest Canadian-ever, he is a national treasure!

No, I was wondering why you put Nash there all of a sudden. Figured you to be a Sens avatar kinda guy. The NPH on a unicorn was cute, but Rick Nash?

Oh, I couldn't find a pic to use.

Wrist surgery this past April.

That contract is an albatross. You hope he retires before the end of it.

M_Christopher wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:
Hey thats just plain mean Nash is the greatest Canadian-ever, he is a national treasure!

No, I was wondering why you put Nash there all of a sudden. Figured you to be a Sens avatar kinda guy. The NPH on a unicorn was cute, but Rick Nash?

Oh, I couldn't find a pic to use.

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:
Hey thats just plain mean Nash is the greatest Canadian-ever, he is a national treasure!

No, I was wondering why you put Nash there all of a sudden. Figured you to be a Sens avatar kinda guy. The NPH on a unicorn was cute, but Rick Nash?

Oh, I couldn't find a pic to use.

Better?

Yeah, that suits you better.

SpezDispenser wrote:http://www.crashthecrease.com/2010/02/01/bettman-nixed-lecavalier-to-montreal-deal-in-june/

News to me to be honest. I didn't realize that it was fact that a trade got blocked, nor did I realized Vinny was OFFICIALLY on the market. Maybe it has something to do with the fools that keep making proposals everywhere, I mistook that for an actual rumour.

So..is he leaving TB? Hmmm...

I posted that story in another thread 3 days ago.

That's my link, from the HockeyNews:

http://www.gmhockey.com/general-hockey-talk-f49/general-hockey-talk-injuries-signings-factoids-other-news-from-around-the-league-t3927-720.htm#146745

On what grounds would that Dirtbag, Bettman, block the trade?

SeawaySensFan wrote:On what grounds would that Dirtbag, Bettman, block the trade?

My understanding was the two feuding owners of the Lightning didn't agree on the trade.

One wanted to trade Vinny, one didn't. I think both of them have to agree for things to work out.

I haven't seen any mention of Vinny waiving his NTC either, so it's possible he would've shot it down in the end anyway.

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:On what grounds would that Dirtbag, Bettman, block the trade?

My understanding was the two feuding owners of the Lightning didn't agree on the trade.

One wanted to trade Vinny, one didn't. I think both of them have to agree for things to work out.

I haven't seen any mention of Vinny waiving his NTC either, so it's possible he would've shot it down in the end anyway.

He should really try to have more deep-pocketed sole owners in the league.

Jeffrey Vinik is offering apparently close to purchasing the Lightning from Koules and Barrie, who had a chance to buy the other out but did not.

Once ownership issues are settled, then trades can happen.

Dash wrote:
Once ownership issues are settled, then trades can happen.

Lecavalier still has an NTC and a contract that few teams in the league could afford.

If they really want to move him, it's not going to be easy at all.

Dash wrote:Jeffrey Vinik is offering apparently close to purchasing the Lightning from Koules and Barrie, who had a chance to buy the other out but did not.

Once ownership issues are settled, then trades can happen.

Or not...

According to the Hockey News article, Vinik was "hand picked" by Bettman. How long before the indictments?

Vinny being on the trade block is speculation from what I've heard and here is the gist of the story.

We all know the Tampa Owners have had a fight and as a result they have basically split. Barrie and Koules still technically both own the team, but Bettman has been working on a deal to have the team and all assets sold to Vinik. (no not the Vinik from "The West Wing").

Anyway Vinik (reported wealth of 515 million) is a partial owner of the Red Sox and has made some if not most of his money in real estate flipping properties. From what I'm told, a big part of Vinik's interests is around the 5 acres of lang adjacent to the arena down town.

I believe it was last week on Team1200's Healthy Scratches, it was mentioned that it was Vinik who would want to trade Vinny, as he would want to clear salary to rebuild the team. It was also mentioned that Vinik would not be a permanent owner, but more of a stop gap to buy the team, help build it back up to a valued commodity and then sell it to someone who would want to keep it.

To me, the funny part of all this, is not that there are all these ownership issues around the league, but that the sale of the Lightning could happen in mere weeks, when Phoenix has been ongoing for a year now.

I guess much of that has to do with the lease agreement in Phoenix, and the fact that Tampa has a much more favorable agreement.

Last note, whispers are turning into much louder water cooler talk that Bettman is "losing the room" with regards to the owners. Many are tired that many southern teams are having issues with attendance, and Gary's ability to grow the game south of the border.

Dash wrote:Jeffrey Vinik is offering apparently close to purchasing the Lightning from Koules and Barrie, who had a chance to buy the other out but did not.

Once ownership issues are settled, then trades can happen.

I've heard it was 30million less...that's quite a hit for those two "Cowboys" to take. Hope SAW VII brings in a lot of money.

Devo wrote:

Dash wrote:Jeffrey Vinik is offering apparently close to purchasing the Lightning from Koules and Barrie, who had a chance to buy the other out but did not.

Once ownership issues are settled, then trades can happen.

I've heard it was 30million less...that's quite a hit for those two "Cowboys" to take. Hope SAW VII brings in a lot of money.

Looks about right. Bettman has no problems Diddling over existing owners and brokering discounts for his hand-picked buddies.

The league cannot stop a team from moving a player. A NTC can, but do you think that Vinny is going to stick around where he is not wanted? They could make him miserable if they wanted. Vinny to the Rangers with Kovalchuk.

Dash wrote:The league cannot stop a team from moving a player. A NTC can, but do you think that Vinny is going to stick around where he is not wanted? They could make him miserable if they wanted. Vinny to the Rangers with Kovalchuk.

Doesn't the NHL have to approve every trade ?

I thought it's a formality but I always thought they had the power, same with contracts.

Unless Bettman just called up the parties involved and discouraged them from the deal or something.

Hoags wrote:

Dash wrote:The league cannot stop a team from moving a player. A NTC can, but do you think that Vinny is going to stick around where he is not wanted? They could make him miserable if they wanted. Vinny to the Rangers with Kovalchuk.

Doesn't the NHL have to approve every trade ?

I thought it's a formality but I always thought they had the power, same with contracts.

Unless Bettman just called up the parties involved and discouraged them from the deal or something.

I think it's just a matter of reviewing the terms of the deal and ensuring that there are no violations of the CBA or league regulations.

I imagine the league has a veto power, based on a million little terms and details.

I could see Bettman blocking a trade, and in a way I can understand it. Let's say the brilliant minds in Tampa were able to trade Vinny. We already know they traded away Kuba, Boyle, Richards, and then Vinny.

I'm guessing, but the fan base would likely revolt, and I don't think Gary really wanted to be fighting two losing battles trying to sell another team in Tampa which would essentially be a team with little in the way of player assets, and also trying to find someone stupid enough to commit to Phoenix long term.

Devo wrote:I could see Bettman blocking a trade, and in a way I can understand it. Let's say the brilliant minds in Tampa were able to trade Vinny. We already know they traded away Kuba, Boyle, Richards, and then Vinny.

I'm guessing, but the fan base would likely revolt, and I don't think Gary really wanted to be fighting two losing battles trying to sell another team in Tampa which would essentially be a team with little in the way of player assets, and also trying to find someone stupid enough to commit to Phoenix long term.

I'm sure opinions would be divided between the crickets and the tumbleweeds.

That's a +1 for amusing me. That's rare, but I laughed.