Andy Sutton to Ottawa!

hemlock wrote:Diddling Garbage. Why are we wasting a pick here?

It would be nice if Murray's pre-deadline phone list consisted of more than 2 numbers.

Does he actually believe this makes us a contender? Either Dung or get off the pot Murray. Make moves that make us actually BETTER or don't deal away our Diddling draft picks!

But it's the Ottawa way of doing business. Just ask Muckler.

Dash wrote:

N4L wrote:

hemlock wrote:Diddling Garbage. Why are we wasting a pick here?

It would be nice if Murray's pre-deadline phone list consisted of more than 2 numbers.

Does he actually believe this makes us a contender? Either Dung or get off the pot Murray. Make moves that make us actually BETTER or don't deal away our Diddling draft picks!

Makes us deeper which sometimes is a little more important. He brought in a guy without giving up any current assets along with Cullen. Im not in love with the move, I dont hate it. I think Sutton will fit in nicely.

Also, we still have Lee around... Ottawa has the deepest, meanest, biggest blueline in The East.

Carkner and Sutton might be mean and tough, but they are not going to be that hard to get by in the neutral zone.

Neither one of those guys will put themselves in positions where they are going to get beat though. Both guys play within themselves, are character guys, accept their roles, and play hard.

A 2nd is defently a decent price to pay but hey, that 2nd is only any good if your scouting staff thinks there is a Wiercoich or Lehner in that 2nd round. Long term thiis could have an effect if Ottawa does indeed make it past the 1st or 2nd round because they will be a legit threat in The East again, players will want to come here.

Again, dont like it, dont hate it, but I get it.

N4L wrote:
Imagine going to the net with those 2 right there. "fuck it, take the puck"

People think you're kidding...

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Volchenkov and Kelly for

Polak and Perron

Good lord I hope you're joking.

This Sutton trade is pretty awful. Especially with the recent performance of our 2nd round draft. I feel like we always pick diamonds out of the later rounds. Everybody knows the players in the top 20 of the draft, but beyond that is where your scouting department earns its keep.

Sutton is a horrificly dirty player with no real upside other than his toughness. This is similar to acquiring Hal Gill.

However SSF, I think you're right. I think the writings on the wall now for Volchenkov. But I pray to everything holy that we get something decent for him. I really hope that Murray's got something up his sleeve here..


In Murray I Trust.

Islanders fans are gushing about Sutton, saying that he's finally injury free and has been their best D-man by far this year (over Streit too they say). They had hoped they could get more than a 60th overall pick for Sutton - and that anyone questioning this doesn't watch the Islanders enough.

So, yeah...there you go I guess. Time to get excited about the Executioners (Carkner and Sutton).

Very Muckeresque. I assume we'll be getting Comrie at some point today as well...

Jordo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Volchenkov and Kelly for

Polak and Perron

Good lord I hope you're joking.

This Sutton trade is pretty awful. Especially with the recent performance of our 2nd round draft. I feel like we always pick diamonds out of the later rounds. Everybody knows the players in the top 20 of the draft, but beyond that is where your scouting department earns its keep.

Sutton is a horrificly dirty player with no real upside other than his toughness. This is similar to acquiring Hal Gill.

However SSF, I think you're right. I think the writings on the wall now for Volchenkov. But I pray to everything holy that we get something decent for him. I really hope that Murray's got something up his sleeve here..


In Murray I Trust.

Obviously, the Blues would have to give up more, but I think those would be sweet pieces. Maybe Volchenkov and Lee for those 2 would be more even?

We still have our 1st, people need to relax.

Sutton could very well be a guy they can resign for cheap to play a limited and important role at times. Come the playoffs, Sutton is a guy you want on your team, that I believe 100%.

Seriously though, Carkner and Sutton are not 2 guys you want to see on your left and right if you are 3rd and 4th line guys.

Didn't people read what I wrote? Islanders fans are saying that he's healthy and their best D-man. They're lamenting they couldn't get more for him.

Take fans of the team's word over your own right now.

I hope you're right Spezz D. In any case, i'm thinking murray gets at least a 2nd back if or when he trades volchenkov (which would be tomorrow cuz we need D-men tonight)

Also, as for the 2nd rounder, if the 2nd round is defenseman heavy, why wouldnt Murray just give up a 2nd for some help on the blueline? There is such thing as overkill and prospects are only prospects until they play.

Why would Murray want to draft 3rd or 4th round tallent in terms of forwards in the 2nd round? What's the difference at that point? Murray will be drafting a forward with pick number 1 unless there is something too good to give up falling in his lap.

The 2nd rounder, oh well, if The Sens win a round or two, it's fine.

I like this move.... how many other people on the planet have been hit by a truck and literally have gotten up and kept walking? Honestly?

Seriously though, Sutton deal aside, if we trade Volchenkov...and that's an IF...it will be a hockey deal players for players. There's no way murray takes picks for him. that being said, I say that if they can't come to a deal, then let him play out his contract (he'll probably be amazing ) and trade him at the draft if needed.

SpezDispenser wrote:Didn't people read what I wrote? Islanders fans are saying that he's healthy and their best D-man. They're lamenting they couldn't get more for him.

Take fans of the team's word over your own right now.

People seem to value crap-shoot draft picks more than hard assets. Not I.

I know some people might take issue with this but Sutton and Carkner sounds like a good idea. I have a feeling it would be a complete disaster.

Mobility on the back end is something that can't be overlooked. Maybe Murray's plan is to relocate Carkner to 7th defensemen duty? That was supposed to be the plan at the start of the year.

RobbyJ wrote:Very Muckeresque. I assume we'll be getting Comrie at some point today as well...

so true... wouldn't a deadline without Comrie coming to Ottawa... again... and again... only to leave to free agency year after year.

There's a selection of comments from actual Islanders fans, so Murray's obviously done his homework on Sutton.

BigRig wrote:I like this move.... how many other people on the planet have been hit by a truck and literally have gotten up and kept walking? Honestly?

Seriously though, Sutton deal aside, if we trade Volchenkov...and that's an IF...it will be a hockey deal players for players. There's no way murray takes picks for him. that being said, I say that if they can't come to a deal, then let him play out his contract (he'll probably be amazing ) and trade him at the draft if needed.

That was Brendan Witt.

Michallica wrote:I hope you're right Spezz D. In any case, i'm thinking murray gets at least a 2nd back if or when he trades volchenkov (which would be tomorrow cuz we need D-men tonight)

Oh, now Volchenkov is absolutely not going anywhere. Those are the 8 D-men we're going with.

Phillips, Volchenkov, Kuba, Karlsson, Sutton, Carkner, Campoli, Lee.

Not too shabby.

SpezDispenser wrote:There's a selection of comments from actual Islanders fans, so Murray's obviously done his homework on Sutton.

well I guess we shall see in his first game, doubt he is playing against the Rangers tonight though.

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:There's a selection of comments from actual Islanders fans, so Murray's obviously done his homework on Sutton.

well I guess we shall see in his first game, doubt he is playing against the Rangers tonight though.

Uh...he should be. NY isn't far from Ottawa by plane.

This could very well be a move to compensate for a Volchenkov trade. Both Sutton and Volch play very similar styles. Sutton is second in the league in blocked shots and is just as big a hitter as Volchenkov. As good as Volch is, is he really that much better than Sutton? Debatable. If Murray plans on re-signing Sutton it's probably because Volch wants $4.5 million +. I can see Karlsson being paired with Philips and Sutton with Kuba if Volchenkov gets traded for something other than a d-man...

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:I hope you're right Spezz D. In any case, i'm thinking murray gets at least a 2nd back if or when he trades volchenkov (which would be tomorrow cuz we need D-men tonight)

Oh, now Volchenkov is absolutely not going anywhere. Those are the 8 D-men we're going with.

Phillips, Volchenkov, Kuba, Karlsson, Sutton, Carkner, Campoli, Lee.

Not too shabby.

Agreed. Acquiring Sutton signals that Murray is done. I sure hope this was the right move.

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:There's a selection of comments from actual Islanders fans, so Murray's obviously done his homework on Sutton.

well I guess we shall see in his first game, doubt he is playing against the Rangers tonight though.

You'd be surprised. Trades tend to get announced well after they've been agreed upon and approved.

"We thank Andy Sutton for his time here," said Islanders general manager Garth Snow. " He's played really well for us, especially this year. He's gotten a few bad breaks regarding injuries [in the past] but he'll be missed not only on the ice but off the ice as... have to sign up to read the rest

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Agreed. Acquiring Sutton signals that Murray is done. I sure hope this was the right move.

Define 'right move'.

Seriously, I think it's a good move. This guy was on our radar as well, we always said he'd be perfect to play with Carkner or ever Kuba - and Clutch, the asking price for other players are ludicrous.

Look at Leopold and Sutton getting 2nds, that should go to show you what Hamhuis and guys like that are going for. I bet Seidenberg goes for a 1st - probably from SJ or a team like that. That was the guy I wanted to most - not with the 1st, but I wanted him real bad. Now we sit back and hope to heck we can win a couple of rounds!

my only beef with this trade is that we were willing to part with the 2nd rounder...why not use it for a seidenberg??

EDIT: thought that was the asking price, but I guess it must be way higher than that. Then again, Murray did give up a 1st for Campoli, so might have been on a little less crack this time around.

Dash wrote:

BigRig wrote:I like this move.... how many other people on the planet have been hit by a truck and literally have gotten up and kept walking? Honestly?

Seriously though, Sutton deal aside, if we trade Volchenkov...and that's an IF...it will be a hockey deal players for players. There's no way murray takes picks for him. that being said, I say that if they can't come to a deal, then let him play out his contract (he'll probably be amazing ) and trade him at the draft if needed.

That was Brendan Witt.

CRAP....well then let's see if he can handle the truck hit too! and then we'll test Heatley....when we find him.

Michallica wrote:my only beef with this trade is that we were willing to part with the 2nd rounder...why not use it for a seidenberg??

Word is Seidenberg will cost a late 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect. He's worth a lot more than Sutton.

Bulletin: Ottawa acquires Andy Sutton from the N.Y. Islanders for a second-round draft pick in 2010
Tuesday, 02.03.2010 / 1:58 PM / News
Ottawa Senators


OTTAWA - Ottawa Senators general manager Bryan Murray announced today the club has acquired defenceman Andy Sutton from the New York Islanders in exchange for a second-round draft choice (acquired from the San Jose Sharks) in the 2010 National Hockey League Entry Draft.

Sutton, 34, is currently in his 11th NHL season and his third with the Islanders. In 54 games this season, he has scored four goals, while adding eight assists and 73 penalty minutes. The native of Kingston, Ont., has averaged 20:48 in time-on-ice per game this season and leads New York in both hits (155) and blocked shots (153). The 153 blocked shots are second most in the NHL.

In 567 career NHL games with San Jose, the Minnesota Wild, Atlanta Thrashers and the Islanders, Sutton has scored 34 goals, added 101 assists and 984 penalty minutes. He has played in four career playoff games, all with Atlanta in 2006-07.

The 6-foot-6, 245-pound Sutton was signed as an undrafted free agent by San Jose on March 20, 1998, before being traded to Minnesota on June 12, 2000, with a seventh-round draft pick in 2000 and a third-round pick in 2001 for the Wild’s eighth-round selection that same year. He was traded to Atlanta for Hnat Domenichelli on Jan. 22, 2002, and signed with the Islanders as a free agent on Aug. 10, 2007.

The second-round draft pick traded away by the Senators was acquired along with Milan Michalek and Jonathan Cheechoo from San Jose in exchange for forward Dany Heatley and Ottawa’s fifth-round draft choice in 2010 on Sept. 12, 2009.

BigRig wrote:
CRAP....well then let's see if he can handle the truck hit too! and then we'll test Heatley....when we find him.

Mind you, Brendan Witt is now patrolling the blue line in the Isles AHL affiliate, so...yeah, the truck won in the end.

I guess Lee is riding the bus to Bingo tonight.

SensGirl11 wrote:I guess Lee is riding the bus to Bingo tonight.

Diddle yeah, off you go Lee.

Wonder what Jersey # he'll wear, since 25 is being worn.

H E double holy Free Holyyyy.

The 6-foot-6, 245-pound Sutton

well zidlicky is off the market....3 years at $12M

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:I guess Lee is riding the bus to Bingo tonight.

Diddle yeah, off you go Lee.

I doubt that, he'll be the extra D-man if I'm not mistaken.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:H E double holy Free Holyyyy.

The 6-foot-6, 245-pound Sutton

The size of our blueline just got even bigger.

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:I guess Lee is riding the bus to Bingo tonight.

Diddle yeah, off you go Lee.

I doubt that, he'll be the extra D-man if I'm not mistaken.

There's no need to keep him up though. Why not save the cap space right?

After the 6-1 beating Bingo took they could use some help.