What's Next for The Maple Leafs?

marakh wrote:

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> If I remember correctly from the WJC, Chris DiDomenico is one ornery and talented guy as well.

He's a very good 2 way forward, but was injured in the last part of the season last year and was very missed during the memorial cup run. But he's more of a project, needs to get bigger. Likely 2-3 years away.

@Marakh>Scott Gomez type?

davetherave wrote:

marakh wrote:

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> If I remember correctly from the WJC, Chris DiDomenico is one ornery and talented guy as well.

He's a very good 2 way forward, but was injured in the last part of the season last year and was very missed during the memorial cup run. But he's more of a project, needs to get bigger. Likely 2-3 years away.

@Marakh>Scott Gomez type?

Unlikely. Both because his production probably won't be anywhere near Scotty's, and because his skating isn't nearly as good as Gomez's is either.

@ASQ> how do you see Bozak and Hanson as assets for the Leafs?

davetherave wrote:Seeing as very few of you--if any--were around when the Leafs won their last Stanley Cup, I will take it upon myself to inform you that George 'Punch' Imlach was one of the meanest, nastiest hockey executives ever to walk the earth.

The Leafs won several Cups under his thoroughly foul-mouthed and mean-spirited tutelage.

The Maple Leafs may be a ways from Imlach's teams, but Burke and Wilson will be as nasty as they gotta be to make Toronto a factor again.

That was 40 years ago. Hockey's changed since then.

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> how do you see Bozak and Hanson as assets for the Leafs?

Imo Bozak = Kunitz, Hanson = meh

Tuk Tuk wrote:

davetherave wrote:Seeing as very few of you--if any--were around when the Leafs won their last Stanley Cup, I will take it upon myself to inform you that George 'Punch' Imlach was one of the meanest, nastiest hockey executives ever to walk the earth.

The Leafs won several Cups under his thoroughly foul-mouthed and mean-spirited tutelage.

The Maple Leafs may be a ways from Imlach's teams, but Burke and Wilson will be as nasty as they gotta be to make Toronto a factor again.

That was 40 years ago. Hockey's changed since then.

No kidding.

davetherave wrote:

marakh wrote:

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> If I remember correctly from the WJC, Chris DiDomenico is one ornery and talented guy as well.

He's a very good 2 way forward, but was injured in the last part of the season last year and was very missed during the memorial cup run. But he's more of a project, needs to get bigger. Likely 2-3 years away.

@Marakh>Scott Gomez type?

AS Asq said, skating is kind of an issue. I think he is more of a 3rd line center.

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> how do you see Bozak and Hanson as assets for the Leafs?

Bozak I've watched some of, Hanson I've seen very little of apart from his time with the Leafs (apparently he had a hattrick in the Leafs rookie game).

I think Hanson's probably more of a 3rd liner-type. Bozak can be and probably is a top-6er, but definitely not a guy who can carry an offence.

asq2 wrote:

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> how do you see Bozak and Hanson as assets for the Leafs?

Bozak I've watched some of, Hanson I've seen very little of apart from his time with the Leafs (apparently he had a hattrick in the Leafs rookie game).

I think Hanson's probably more of a 3rd liner-type. Bozak can be and probably is a top-6er, but definitely not a guy who can carry an offence.

In other words, Bozak = Kunitz, Hanson = meh

cas wrote:

asq2 wrote:

davetherave wrote:@ASQ> how do you see Bozak and Hanson as assets for the Leafs?

Bozak I've watched some of, Hanson I've seen very little of apart from his time with the Leafs (apparently he had a hattrick in the Leafs rookie game).

I think Hanson's probably more of a 3rd liner-type. Bozak can be and probably is a top-6er, but definitely not a guy who can carry an offence.

In other words, Bozak = Kunitz, Hanson = meh

Basically, yeah.

Except Bozak is a centre.

Hansen is there to sell jerseys

Remember when Eddie Shack used to eat garlic before a game so he could breathe in goalies' faces?

That was Maple Leafs hockey, eh.

davetherave wrote:Remember when Eddie Shack used to eat garlic before a game so he could breathe in goalies' faces?

That was Maple Leafs hockey, eh.

Clear the track!

davetherave wrote:Remember when Eddie Shack used to eat garlic before a game so he could breathe in goalies' faces?

That was Maple Leafs hockey, eh.

Still stinks, just not for the same reason

Tuk Tuk wrote:

davetherave wrote:Remember when Eddie Shack used to eat garlic before a game so he could breathe in goalies' faces?

That was Maple Leafs hockey, eh.

Still stinks, just not for the same reason

You young'uns have no respect for the Revered Tradition Of The Leaf...and you've just hurt Burkie's feelings--

Sportsnet is reporting that the Leafs have offered 2-1sts and a 2nd for Kessel.

42 years and still going.

Wow.

Hahahaha, good luck Leafs fans, lolol.

Hayden wrote:Sportsnet is reporting that the Leafs have offered 2-1sts and a 2nd for Kessel.

42 years and still going.

Wow.

Hey Hayden, just to be fair, there are a few teams who haven't won a Stanley Cup in even longer than that.


Wonder if Burke will pull this off.

What's next? Perhaps watching their team throw millions down tube. I watched Komiserek pretty closely this pre-season on the leafs network and such, he has been pretty close to brutal. There is no shot with that guy as their "stud" D man along with Beauchimen they make the playoffs. Both those guys played with 2 of the 5 best Dmen in the game in Markov and Neidamayer. They are going to be brutal on the back end again.

They might be winning their pre season games with kids, but fact of the matter is no one is dressing their real team agaianst the Leafs.

Kessel, well Savard assisted on 56% of his goals and no one in Toronto is even remotly on the same level as Savard. If Kessel hits 20 this year, consider it a great season for that little baby.

The only thing they did right this year was sign McDonald who is actually a better goaltender then Guftison and by a larage margin. Most under rated goaltender in the NHL with Anderson.(who is now a starter)

N4L wrote:What's next? Perhaps watching their team throw millions down tube. I watched Komiserek pretty closely this pre-season on the leafs network and such, he has been pretty close to brutal. There is no shot with that guy as their "stud" D man along with Beauchimen they make the playoffs. Both those guys played with 2 of the 5 best Dmen in the game in Markov and Neidamayer. They are going to be brutal on the back end again.

They might be winning their pre season games with kids, but fact of the matter is no one is dressing their real team agaianst the Leafs.

Kessel, well Savard assisted on 56% of his goals and no one in Toronto is even remotly on the same level as Savard. If Kessel hits 20 this year, consider it a great season for that little baby.

The only thing they did right this year was sign McDonald who is actually a better goaltender then Guftison and by a larage margin. Most under rated goaltender in the NHL with Anderson.(who is now a starter)

Have you seen much of the Monster? Is this going on this preseason's action with the Monster? His numbers from the SEL last year seem to indicate he's got some talent.

I agree with the rest pretty much. I think Burke locked way to much money in that D. Not enough skill back there either.

By the time Kessel is ready to play... it may be too late.

I like the acquisition of Kessel, what I do not like is the price. 2 1sts, and a 2nd. That's a statement right there: 1- Burke really does consider Bozak, Gustafsson and Hansen as the assets for the near future, and 2- he feels he has the talent necessary to feed Kessel the puck and 3- We'll likely see Komisarek or Beachemin moved for another forward at some point

Brian Burke is by far one of the best GMs in the league. He got Kessel, only time will tell who won on this trade but he is only what 22 years old and scored 36 goals last year--the guy is a good hockey player--its a gamble buts its a gamble not to make that trade either--who is to say that the players you pick in the 1st round will be as good as Kessel

BB gambles--you can't win the poker game unless you gamble--maybe Gainey should take some lessons

N4l--what hockey have you been watching--komeserick played awesome against the penguins--every reporter was saying the samething--give me a break and i don't even like the leafs--thats a brutal assessment on your part

sidstu wrote:N4l--what hockey have you been watching--komeserick played awesome against the penguins--every reporter was saying the samething--give me a break and i don't even like the leafs--thats a brutal assessment on your part

Ya, getting beat down low by AHL roster players, not being able to push guys like Rupp out from the crease, so on, oh ya, great game.

You chose to use a game where Crosby and Malkin were not even playing in, where Komiserek was beat along boards and pushed around for 1/2 the game? Komiserek on that first goal was absolutely out muscled and out worked by Rupp, and then Bayda jsut shelfed it.

You actually watch that game or you just going by what you "heard"?

I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

sidstu wrote:Brian Burke is by far one of the best GMs in the league. He got Kessel, only time will tell who won on this trade but he is only what 22 years old and scored 36 goals last year--the guy is a good hockey player--its a gamble buts its a gamble not to make that trade either--who is to say that the players you pick in the 1st round will be as good as Kessel

BB gambles--you can't win the poker game unless you gamble--maybe Gainey should take some lessons

What is it that he's done aside from warm the seat while other GMs set his team up for a Stanley Cup?

Kevin Lowe's deal to send Burke Pronger was borderline idiotic so Burke benefited from being friends with someone who didn't know what he was doing. What's laughable is that he's pissy with him after for tendering an offer sheet to Penner and severes the friendship over it. By the way I believe Penner, Moen and Pahlsson were all Murray pickups but correct me if I'm wrong there.

Perhaps it was Brian Burke's genious move to bring in Scott Neidermeyer? NOPE! He was the lucky owner of his brother's contract which was the ONLY reason Scott came to Anaheim.

Perhaps it was his excellent skills in drafting Perry and Getzlaf? Nope that was Murray.

What is it that Burke has done so well that you label him as one of the best in the league.

Burke is very good at increasing attendance.

Something not needed in Toronto.

I have to admit that Burke was a massive beneficiary of an Anaheim team handed to him that was lovingly constructed. He didn't do it in Vancouver and he'll have to be PATIENT in Toronto.

Now one thing that Burke is not known for is patience - so we'll see how this shakes up. I will say that I'm impressed with Bozak, Gustofsson, Hansen and the rest of the guys he signed for nothing - no draft picks, nothing. That opened the door for him to get Kessel. Was that the right move? Hard to say, but at this point he took a risk. Now he has to be PATIENT.

Burke has made some nice moves with the Leafs I will give him that. Beauchemin and Kessel are definitely solid. If he's smart he'll hang onto Kaberle. That made no sense to me when I heard he was shopping him. Great PMD for the price tag. Him and Beauchemin make a capable back end for offense. Kessel will be good but, I agree with beedub that it was a high price to pay. Gustuvson (sp) the jury is still out on as it is with Hanson and Bozak but they too could turn into something nice and when you pay nothing for them in terms of picks, prospects or players then it's worth the risk for sure.

SpezDispenser wrote:I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

I know Komisarek won't step up because his time to do so was last season in his contract year and he couldn't even do that. He's plenty truculent, though.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

I know Komisarek won't step up because his time to do so was last season in his contract year and he couldn't even do that. He's plenty truculent, though.

Then there goes 4.5 million a year down the toilet.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

I know Komisarek won't step up because his time to do so was last season in his contract year and he couldn't even do that. He's plenty truculent, though.

Markov made that guy a millionaire. I would have been laughing my Donkey off if Montreal signed him for that contract. I was the one saying MTL should let him go because Markov could turn a decent player into something like Komaiserek looked like the last 2 or 3 years.

Without Markov (a top 5 D man in the league IMO) he's useless. Just a big guy who cant skate or move the puck.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

I know Komisarek won't step up because his time to do so was last season in his contract year and he couldn't even do that. He's plenty truculent, though.

Komisarek is far better than Volchenkov didn't you know?

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I was waiting for someone to say something about Komisarek. He needs to step up to the plate - soon. Beauchemin has been good though.

I know Komisarek won't step up because his time to do so was last season in his contract year and he couldn't even do that. He's plenty truculent, though.

Then there goes 4.5 million a year down the toilet.

As long as it's not down any toilet at Scotiabank place or any of The Gene's solid gold thrones in one of his mansions, I don't give a Diddle.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Burke has made some nice moves with the Leafs I will give him that. Beauchemin and Kessel are definitely solid. If he's smart he'll hang onto Kaberle. That made no sense to me when I heard he was shopping him. Great PMD for the price tag. Him and Beauchemin make a capable back end for offense. Kessel will be good but, I agree with beedub that it was a high price to pay. Gustuvson (sp) the jury is still out on as it is with Hanson and Bozak but they too could turn into something nice and when you pay nothing for them in terms of picks, prospects or players then it's worth the risk for sure.

Hanson has been way overrated by leaf fans and the media...think about it this way...Erik Condra who played with Notre Dame as well led that team in scoring all four years he was there...Hanson on the other hand had ONE good year, which was his senior year and he was third on the team in scoring...Bozak, ok, he could be a good hockey player...but again, Patty Wiercioch had more points than him at Denver...Bozak was hurt, but doesn't that raise some red flags?

I dont see how The Leafs are better then last year. They are worse! They also have money tied up in guys who have never really proven anything except they play off of the better players in the league, and colleges kids. AWESOME.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

sidstu wrote:Brian Burke is by far one of the best GMs in the league. He got Kessel, only time will tell who won on this trade but he is only what 22 years old and scored 36 goals last year--the guy is a good hockey player--its a gamble buts its a gamble not to make that trade either--who is to say that the players you pick in the 1st round will be as good as Kessel

BB gambles--you can't win the poker game unless you gamble--maybe Gainey should take some lessons

What is it that he's done aside from warm the seat while other GMs set his team up for a Stanley Cup?

Kevin Lowe's deal to send Burke Pronger was borderline idiotic so Burke benefited from being friends with someone who didn't know what he was doing. What's laughable is that he's pissy with him after for tendering an offer sheet to Penner and severes the friendship over it. By the way I believe Penner, Moen and Pahlsson were all Murray pickups but correct me if I'm wrong there.

Perhaps it was Brian Burke's genious move to bring in Scott Neidermeyer? NOPE! He was the lucky owner of his brother's contract which was the ONLY reason Scott came to Anaheim.

Perhaps it was his excellent skills in drafting Perry and Getzlaf? Nope that was Murray.

What is it that Burke has done so well that you label him as one of the best in the league.

Burke's biggest legacy so far is the messes he leaves behind once he exits stage left. Vancouver was a mess, Bob Murray has done an exceptional job cleaning up after Murray.

My guess is that Burke leaves in 5-7 years, the Leafs are right back where they were when he got there, in desperate need of a rebuild, and nothing more than a token playoff appearance or two to show for it.

Burke is all flash and no substance.

no use argiung with people that biased--bottom line burke won a cup in anaheim--sure BM did a lot for that to happen but he closed the deal

now Komisarick--he had a great game, N4L--i did watch the game, I watch hockey every night--the difference is i don't let biasm interfer with facts--i'm not even a leaf fan but I have total confidence in BBs abilities---how many cups has BM won as GM for the sens--BM is a good manager as far as I'm concerned but if any of you say BB is not a good GM than how can you BM is good--talk about biasm at its best

sidstu wrote:no use argiung with people that biased--bottom line burke won a cup in anaheim--sure BM did a lot for that to happen but he closed the deal

now Komisarick--he had a great game, N4L--i did watch the game, I watch hockey every night--the difference is i don't let biasm interfer with facts--i'm not even a leaf fan but I have total confidence in BBs abilities---how many cups has BM won as GM for the sens--BM is a good manager as far as I'm concerned but if any of you say BB is not a good GM than how can you BM is good--talk about biasm at its best

I don't think any of us have used this so called biasm you speak of, nor have we been biased. You haven't exactly used any facts in explaining how Komisarek had a great game either, we've been using FACTS to explain our arguments

sidstu wrote:no use argiung with people that biased--bottom line burke won a cup in anaheim--sure BM did a lot for that to happen but he closed the deal

now Komisarick--he had a great game, N4L--i did watch the game, I watch hockey every night--the difference is i don't let biasm interfer with facts--i'm not even a leaf fan but I have total confidence in BBs abilities---how many cups has BM won as GM for the sens--BM is a good manager as far as I'm concerned but if any of you say BB is not a good GM than how can you BM is good--talk about biasm at its best

I hate The Habs about 1000 times more then the LEafs, so I dont see how I'm bias here at all. Thanks for coming out though, you're always great to hear from.

Ya, Burke won a cup alright, hahaha. Most over rated GM in the NHL bar none. He has built nothing from the ground up. Hartford he was an absolute joke. Vancouver he used up ever resource he had and left Nonnis with nothing, Anahiem he came in and took the job MURRAY DECIDED to leave. In Toronto, he will be an epic failure, so far, so good.

Markov made Komiserek, you, being a Habs fan should actually realize that above all else. There is one good move Gainey made.

Keep em coming buddy.

wtf is biasm?