Re: TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA!

by **SpezDispenser** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:48 pm

Flo The Action wrote:not the same type of player. i just don't see vinny AND spezza... even with cheechoo off the books. seriously that 7 mill cap hit when vinny will be 40 is ridiculous. even if the cap hits 70 mill by then. now kovlchuck at 7 million for the next 10 years... i like that.

Now Flo...one of them has won a Hart Trophy, the other hasn't, so I'm not sure how fair you're being here.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:07 pm

Bickering in the TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA thread make Baby Hoss Cartwright cry.

by rooneypoo on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:31 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:Bickering in the TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA thread make Baby Hoss Cartwright cry.

Hey, did I really turn you away from your dream of seeing Ray Whitney in a Sens jersey this winter?

by **SeawaySensFan** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:37 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Bickering in the TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA thread make Baby Hoss Cartwright cry.

Hey, did I really turn you away from your dream of seeing Ray Whitney in a Sens jersey this winter?

Yes!!!

by rooneypoo on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:41 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Bickering in the TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA thread make Baby Hoss Cartwright cry.

Hey, did I really turn you away from your dream of seeing Ray Whitney in a Sens jersey this winter?

Yes!!!

Dr. Poo, changing minds and making the world a better place for Sens fans, one man (or woman!) at a time...

Next up: why you should distrust the "Spezza had a mystery injury" argument...

by **SeawaySensFan** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:49 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:Bickering in the TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA thread make Baby Hoss Cartwright cry.

Hey, did I really turn you away from your dream of seeing Ray Whitney in a Sens jersey this winter?

Yes!!!

Dr. Poo, changing minds and making the world a better place for Sens fans, one man (or woman!) at a time...

Next up: why you should distrust the "Spezza had a mystery injury" argument...

I was just humoring you.

Seriously, he would make the team better. But so would a few other options around the league.

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:50 pm

I watched Svatos the other night and he defently has something there still. If you gave up a guy like O'Brien to take a flyer on the guy, I would def give it a shot. He looked solid and perhaps his old Jr coach can get him going. Sometimes guys need a fresh start.

by **SpezDispenser** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:00 pm

N4L wrote:I watched Svatos the other night and he defently has something there still. If you gave up a guy like O'Brien to take a flyer on the guy, I would def give it a shot. He looked solid and perhaps his old Jr coach can get him going. Sometimes guys need a fresh start.

I watched the same game, it had to be the same game. Who was it...it was a shutout for Anderson...and Svatos had three or four really nice chances. Looked like a mini-Kovalchuk. Must have been a good night for him or he does need another chance.

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:10 pm

Svatos for Spezza?

by **SeawaySensFan** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:11 pm

I think there was mention on the Hotstove that Svatos played for Clouston in Kootenay and that might be a reason he'd end up in Ottawa.

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:16 pm

Seriously, I wouldnt give up anything really signifigant for Svatos but why not take a shot on him at some point in the off season perhaps. Could be worth it... again, an O'Brien for Svatos deal or Lee for Svatos might be solid.

by **M_Christopher** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:17 pm

N4L wrote:Seriously, I wouldnt give up anything really signifigant for Svatos but why not take a shot on him at some point in the off season perhaps. Could be worth it... again, an O'Brien for Svatos deal or Lee for Svatos might be solid.

I'd prefer a Picard for Svatos deal, Lee atleast shows flashes of being useful

by **SeawaySensFan** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:21 pm

No trade involving Svatos would be TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA material. I vote "no".

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:22 pm

Lee has no shot at being in Ottawa though. He wont be showing any more flashes in Ottawa. Karlsson took his spot that he could have had with some effort and a good camp, hell, he could have actually played like he gave a damn in Bingo too.

Lee wont play another game in Ottawa unless injuries hit hard. Ill take Picard over Lee every day of the weak. Lee brings nothing, Picard with his faults actually provides a decent amount of offense and a PP point shot. His first game back in a long time and people expect him to be as good as Karlsson is... no one on that team will be at Karlsson's level in a year let alone a guy like Picard right now. Karlsson IMO is the biggest reason along with Elliot, Spezza, Alfi, and Kovy that team went on a tear. Hell, I dont think Spezza, Alfi, or Kovy even look as good as they did without Karlsson.

So dealing Lee at this point is just dealing a spare part. Picard is a good 7th D man to have. Cant blame him for having a bad game being out for 3 weeks when the entire team was brutal that nigth as well as a motivated Leafs team,

by **hemlock** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:23 pm

N4L wrote:Lee has no shot at being in Ottawa though. He wont be showing any more flashes in Ottawa. Karlsson took his spot that he could have had with some effort and a good camp, hell, he could have actually played like he gave a damn in Bingo too.

Lee wont play another game in Ottawa unless injuries hit hard. Ill take Picard over Lee every day of the weak. Lee brings nothing, Picard with his faults actually provides a decent amount of offense and a PP point shot. His first game back in a long time and people expect him to be as good as Karlsson is... no one on that team will be at Karlsson's level in a year let alone a guy like Picard right now. Karlsson IMO is the biggest reason along with Elliot, Spezza, Alfi, and Kovy that team went on a tear. Hell, I dont think Spezza, Alfi, or Kovy even look as good as they did without Karlsson.

So dealing Lee at this point is just dealing a spare part. Picard is a good 7th D man to have. Cant blame him for having a bad game being out for 3 weeks when the entire team was brutal that nigth as well as a motivated Leafs team,

Nice play on words there.

by **hemlock** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:32 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:No trade involving Svatos would be TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA material. I vote "no".

Svatos and Duchene would qualify wouldn't it? Razz

Just sayin' is all....

by **marakh** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:37 pm

Duchene, Galiardi, Stewart, Oreilly... a lot of teenage bonanza material in there.

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:39 pm

Stewart is impressive, love his game thus far. Im gonna check out the game tonight to watch Svatos and enjoy Duchene (the best player from that draft)

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:12 pm

Well Svatos can still skate.

by **SpezDispenser** on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:23 pm

N4L wrote:Well Svatos can still skate.

Like the wind.

by N4L on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:39 pm

Svatos just made a great play and fed it to Statsny... he still has something for sure.

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:32 am

Meh, I think Svatos has played 8 minutes so far. Not a great game to get a good look, but from little I've seen I've liked. Particularly his play to Stastny.

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:32 am

N4L wrote:Svatos just made a great play and fed it to Statsny... he still has something for sure.

Yeah, wish he was playing a little more, but I've been impressed.

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:33 am

I meant to say he doesn't appear to be floating in the least out there. Is that the knock or are injuries the only knock on him?

by **M_Christopher** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:41 am

SpezDispenser wrote:I meant to say he doesn't appear to be floating in the least out there. Is that the knock or are injuries the only knock on him?

His big knock is his inconsistency, which he really isn't overly.

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:58 am

M_Christopher wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I meant to say he doesn't appear to be floating in the least out there. Is that the knock or are injuries the only knock on him?

His big knock is his inconsistency, which he really isn't overly.

What separates a superstar from a star from a role player. *sigh*...you can't cure that at this point in his career.

But you can stick him on a line with Alfie and Spezza and see what happens. Ahhhhh!

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:01 am

Perron has looked like rubbish. I can see why he's a chip that's in play (if that was true).

by **M_Christopher** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:02 am

SpezDispenser wrote:
M_Christopher wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:I meant to say he doesn't appear to be floating in the least out there. Is that the knock or are injuries the only knock on him?

His big knock is his inconsistency, which he really isn't overly.

What separates a superstar from a star from a role player. *sigh*...you can't cure that at this point in his career.

But you can stick him on a line with Alfie and Spezza and see what happens.

He seems like one of those players that will excel in a new enviroment a la a Rich Peverly

by **SpezDispenser** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:10 am

M_Christopher wrote:
He seems like one of those players that will excel in a new enviroment a la a Rich Peverly

Hard to say, he might just fade away completely, but again, really like what I've seen the last two games I've watched.

by **Phoenix30** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:31 am

Ok got me sold Stavos and a 3rd for Lee.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:26 am

From spectorshockey.net:

THE TENNESSEAN: John Glennon reports the Nashville Predators are facing decisions about perhaps bolstering their roster for the stretch run by adding a scorer or a penalty-killer and whether they should trade one of their pending UFAs (Dan Ellis, Pekka Rinne, Dan Hamhuis). Glennon doubts the Predators would get much back in return for any of the latter by the deadline and at this point it appears management will retain them. Given their recent 2-6-1 record they might tweak to bolster their depth.

Does anyone know if we have any penalty killers to spare?

Thanks in advance.

by **Cap'n Clutch** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:40 am

SeawaySensFan wrote:From spectorshockey.net:

THE TENNESSEAN: John Glennon reports the Nashville Predators are facing decisions about perhaps bolstering their roster for the stretch run by adding a scorer or a penalty-killer and whether they should trade one of their pending UFAs (Dan Ellis, Pekka Rinne, Dan Hamhuis). Glennon doubts the Predators would get much back in return for any of the latter by the deadline and at this point it appears management will retain them. Given their recent 2-6-1 record they might tweak to bolster their depth.

Does anyone know if we have any penalty killers to spare?

Thanks in advance.

Cheechoo?

by **SeawaySensFan** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:44 am

Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:From spectorshockey.net:

THE TENNESSEAN: John Glennon reports the Nashville Predators are facing decisions about perhaps bolstering their roster for the stretch run by adding a scorer or a penalty-killer and whether they should trade one of their pending UFAs (Dan Ellis, Pekka Rinne, Dan Hamhuis). Glennon doubts the Predators would get much back in return for any of the latter by the deadline and at this point it appears management will retain them. Given their recent 2-6-1 record they might tweak to bolster their depth.

Does anyone know if we have any penalty killers to spare?

Thanks in advance.

Cheechoo?

Noted.

by N4L on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:48 am

Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:52 am

N4L wrote:Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

You don't even have a complete 2nd line but you wouldn't trade one of our 20 3rd/4th liners? OK.

I guess we're supposed to trade untradeable players and unwanted prospects to upgrade this team? Interesting philosophy. Thinking

by **hemlock** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:56 am

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:From spectorshockey.net:

THE TENNESSEAN: John Glennon reports the Nashville Predators are facing decisions about perhaps bolstering their roster for the stretch run by adding a scorer or a penalty-killer and whether they should trade one of their pending UFAs (Dan Ellis, Pekka Rinne, Dan Hamhuis). Glennon doubts the Predators would get much back in return for any of the latter by the deadline and at this point it appears management will retain them. Given their recent 2-6-1 record they might tweak to bolster their depth.

Does anyone know if we have any penalty killers to spare?

Thanks in advance.

Cheechoo?

Noted.

by Kovalfie on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:56 am

SeawaySensFan wrote:
N4L wrote:Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

You don't even have a complete 2nd line but you wouldn't trade one of our 20 3rd/4th liners? OK.

I guess we're supposed to trade untradeable players and unwanted prospects to upgrade this team? Interesting philosophy.

Depending on the return I think you consider trading one of Kelly or Shannon. I mean, if it meant that someone like Cheechoo is packaged going the other way and we pick up a legit top-six that we can re-sign then I think it has to be considered.

For instance, if it was Cheechoo and Kelly for say... Patrick Sharp, I think you do it... We'll miss Kelly's penalty killing but we add a top-six and lose a a heavy contract. Not saying this would happen but you have to consider trading everyone on the team but a few staples at this point if it means improving your team for the future.

Still very curious to see what BM does with A-Train.

by N4L on Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:59 am

SeawaySensFan wrote:
N4L wrote:Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

You don't even have a complete 2nd line but you wouldn't trade one of our 20 3rd/4th liners? OK.

I guess we're supposed to trade untradeable players and unwanted prospects to upgrade this team? Interesting philosophy.

Depends what your getting back... Are there any forward in Nashville that would be a better fit on The Sens top 2 lines the a Kelly or Shannon would if they were dealt? Not any that Nashville would be willing to give up.

All depends on the return but I would trade Kelly for some rental nor would I trade Shannon at that cap hit right now. They are both playing solid hockey and Kelly is having a career year.

by **hemlock** on Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:00 am

Kovalfie wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
N4L wrote:Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

You don't even have a complete 2nd line but you wouldn't trade one of our 20 3rd/4th liners? OK.

I guess we're supposed to trade untradeable players and unwanted prospects to upgrade this team? Interesting philosophy.

Depending on the return I think you consider trading one of Kelly or Shannon. I mean, if it meant that someone like Cheechoo is packaged going the other way and we pick up a legit top-six that we can re-sign then I think it has to be considered.

For instance, if it was Cheechoo and Kelly for say... Patrick Sharp, I think you do it... We'll miss Kelly's penalty killing but we add a top-six and lose a a heavy contract. Not saying this would happen but you have to consider trading everyone on the team but a few staples at this point if it means improving your team for the future.

Still very curious to see what BM does with A-Train.

Cheechoo and Kelly for Patrick Sharp? Why????

Sharp is a great PKer, and Chicago takes on salary to acquire a guy no one wants (Cheechoo) and gives up the best player? Enough said.

There is no chance Cheechoo is part of a deal for a T6F unless we are trading one of our prized kids and need him to balance salary. To that I say:

by N4L on Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:01 am

Kovalfie wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
N4L wrote:Wouldnt give up Kelly or Fisher, they are 100% earning their money this year, especially Kelly who will prob hit the 15 goal mark, with a good stretch could hit 20. I dont think that was even in the relm of possibility for him to ever do that, he may come close. I wouldnt trade off anyone from those bottom 2 lines in all honesty.

You don't even have a complete 2nd line but you wouldn't trade one of our 20 3rd/4th liners? OK.

I guess we're supposed to trade untradeable players and unwanted prospects to upgrade this team? Interesting philosophy.

Depending on the return I think you consider trading one of Kelly or Shannon. I mean, if it meant that someone like Cheechoo is packaged going the other way and we pick up a legit top-six that we can re-sign then I think it has to be considered.

For instance, if it was Cheechoo and Kelly for say... Patrick Sharp, I think you do it... We'll miss Kelly's penalty killing but we add a top-six and lose a a heavy contract. Not saying this would happen but you have to consider trading everyone on the team but a few staples at this point if it means improving your team for the future.

Still very curious to see what BM does with A-Train.

Thats the big one for me as well. I think Murray may risk trying to resign him and perhaps move Kuba in the summer, that could mean buying out Cheechoo.