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N4L wrote:
Thats the big one for me as well. I think Murray may risk trying to resign him and perhaps move Kuba in the summer, that could mean buying out Cheechoo.

To me, that's the slam dunk way of taking care of things. But whenever it's that easy, there's usually a catch somewhere.

SensGirl11 wrote:

Hoags wrote:A-Train is a huge part of our defence that I think has protected to some extent from the crappy goaltending we've had all year.

He's also one of the more entertaining players when he's laying out the big hits, from a fan, ticket sales perspective.

We need to keep him, if we trade him, our goalies will have to be even sharper and I think our GA will go up, and this team doesn't have the consistent offence to slack off on defense.

+1 - you said it!

I think winning games is more entertaining than the odd big hit and this team can barely keep their goal differential on the + side. You can get a king's ransom for Volchenkov and acquire Andy Sutton for not much.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think winning games is more entertaining than the odd big hit and this team can barely keep their goal differential on the + side. You can get a king's ransom for Volchenkov and acquire Andy Sutton for not much.

I don't know SSF, apparently there's a lineup of teams forming for Sutton.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think winning games is more entertaining than the odd big hit and this team can barely keep their goal differential on the + side. You can get a king's ransom for Volchenkov and acquire Andy Sutton for not much.

I don't know SSF, apparently there's a lineup of teams forming for Sutton.

Same goes for Volchenkov, reportedly.

BM seems confident that he'll stay, I dunno.

He may want to clear some room on our salary cap before talking numbers first.

The team is exceeding expectations this year, let's not forget Murray was going to blow up the team last year until Clouston righted the ship.

Him and Neil are the only big hitters on the team, we do need a physical presence on our blue line to make opposing forwards wary of blindly entering our zone.

Milan's brother is a good alternative if he'd come here but I don't think he lays people out like A-train (few people do).

Winning games is fun but I think Eugene and the Sens' marketing team would like there to be some 'fan favorites' in the lineup.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think winning games is more entertaining than the odd big hit and this team can barely keep their goal differential on the + side. You can get a king's ransom for Volchenkov and acquire Andy Sutton for not much.

I don't know SSF, apparently there's a lineup of teams forming for Sutton.

Same goes for Volchenkov, reportedly.

Yeah but Ottawa's in a playoff spot and he has a lot to do with it. The Isles have bottomed out and are in prime position to trade some veteran contracts for picks/prospects/younger players.

Islanders are starting to get a stable of prospects coming in. If that team gets a new arena they could very well be New York's choice in terms of what the most popular team is. I would rather be an Islanders fan then a Rangers fan at this point. Snow has done a lot with very little, still surprised how well he has done as a GM.

N4L wrote:Islanders are starting to get a stable of prospects coming in. If that team gets a new arena they could very well be New York's choice in terms of what the most popular team is. I would rather be an Islanders fan then a Rangers fan at this point. Snow has done a lot with very little, still surprised how well he has done as a GM.

That is a huge issue. There's nothing going on in a positive way towards getting a new arena is there?

N4L wrote:Islanders are starting to get a stable of prospects coming in. If that team gets a new arena they could very well be New York's choice in terms of what the most popular team is. I would rather be an Islanders fan then a Rangers fan at this point. Snow has done a lot with very little, still surprised how well he has done as a GM.

I agree, that initially seemed to be the world's biggest lame duck appointment. He has exceeded the low expectations.

It'd be nice if we could get Mark Streit from the Isles (assuming we could afford him). Ditch Kuba first.

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah but Ottawa's in a playoff spot and he has a lot to do with it. The Isles have bottomed out and are in prime position to trade some veteran contracts for picks/prospects/younger players.

In my opinion he would benefit the team more by being traded for scoring help. That's the biggest hole right now.

I don't know who is interested but if the Blues are one of those teams, I would simply ask for Roman Polak as part of the package, if it were the Wild, Zanon actually has more hits and blocked shots, if it's Dallas, Skrastins and Grossman do the same job...

There are a lot of cheaper options out there.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
In my opinion he would benefit the team more by being traded for scoring help. That's the biggest hole right now.

I don't know who is interested but if the Blues are one of those teams, I would simply ask for Roman Polak as part of the package, if it were the Wild, Zanon actually has more hits and blocked shots, if it's Dallas, Skrastins and Grossman do the same job...

There are a lot of cheaper options out there.

Yeah, can't really argue with that, but A-Train's a cut above any of these guys - or a few cuts above actually. He can play the game at top speed, lay a guy out and still be in position. It's not easily replaced.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
In my opinion he would benefit the team more by being traded for scoring help. That's the biggest hole right now.

I don't know who is interested but if the Blues are one of those teams, I would simply ask for Roman Polak as part of the package, if it were the Wild, Zanon actually has more hits and blocked shots, if it's Dallas, Skrastins and Grossman do the same job...

There are a lot of cheaper options out there.

Yeah, can't really argue with that, but A-Train's a cut above any of these guys - or a few cuts above actually. He can play the game at top speed, lay a guy out and still be in position. It's not easily replaced.

I don't disagree. One just has to decide how many millions a few cuts is worth.

I'll say this much: there is going to be at least one more trade before the Friday deadline. Probably more like 3 or 4, so there'll be things happening. It's too quite in Bonanzaville as it is, that's gonna change.

Visnovsky to the Sens by Friday - (SD3)

SpezDispenser wrote:I'll say this much: there is going to be at least one more trade before the Friday deadline. Probably more like 3 or 4, so there'll be things happening. It's too quite in Bonanzaville as it is, that's gonna change.

Visnovsky to the Sens by Friday - (SD3)

Can't say I've seen him play. Anything like Timmonen?

SpezDispenser wrote:
Visnovsky to the Sens by Friday - (SD3)

Lubo doesn't come cheap

I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

Not possible without another mid-range contract heading the other way and at least one top flight prospect.

One of Phillips/Kuba/Fisher would have to go in the trade.

PKC wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

Not possible without another mid-range contract heading the other way and at least one top flight prospect.

One of Phillips/Kuba/Fisher would have to go in the trade.

Or any of those guys and/or Spezza in a seperate trade? I kind of believe Murray would try to land Lecavalier, I just can't imagine Tampa wanting that deal.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'll say this much: there is going to be at least one more trade before the Friday deadline. Probably more like 3 or 4, so there'll be things happening. It's too quite in Bonanzaville as it is, that's gonna change.

Visnovsky to the Sens by Friday - (SD3)

Can't say I've seen him play. Anything like Timmonen?

Not as good defensively (I think Timmonen is the cat's meow), but an exceptional puck mover and a commander on the PP. His shot rivals most in the league.

I dunno... that would seem like a pretty fair deal to me, they get a lot out of that and you are sending close to 5 mil in salary. If we had Spezza and Vinny up the middle that would go a looooong way in making Ottawa a legit contender again.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

Let me get this straight Inside Man...A UFA D-man, a salary dump, a failed prospect and a 1st and 2nd round pick? Sounds like a craptastic trade for TB.

Try Cowen, Regin or Foligno, Cheechoo, 1st round.

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PKC wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

Not possible without another mid-range contract heading the other way and at least one top flight prospect.

One of Phillips/Kuba/Fisher would have to go in the trade.

im so against trading volchie , in my mind he brings a lot to the table. And its hard to find a d-fence man that will stay in the back end well a D-fence man like phaneuf is up scoring. i rather do
Kuba/cheecho/lee/1st/2nd/leclaire
just an idea

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

Let me get this straight Inside Man...A UFA D-man, a salary dump, a failed prospect and a 1st and 2nd round pick? Sounds like a craptastic trade for TB.

Try Cowen, Regin or Foligno, Cheechoo, 1st round.

The "Inside Man" is magic. So is Bryan Murray.

i really hope we don't have a nap during the trade deadline.

LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Hoags wrote:LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Spezza would be going to EDM for their 1st +.

Hoags wrote:LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

They don't come any smaller, or cheaper, than Del Shannon.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:LOL Lecavalier ??

Last I heard the new owner paid less for the Lightning so that Vinny could stay on their team and payroll.

There hasn't been any indication of trading Vinny, much less to Ottawa. And it'd be Spezza going the other way (for starters).

Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

They don't come any smaller, or cheaper, than Del Shannon.

haha your right about that

Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Obviously, Bryan Murray disagrees if he's making pitches for the likes of Kovalchuk.

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

o thee of little faith

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think the "Inside Man" said it best:

Firstly the Ottawa Senators are 100% in for Vinny Lecavalier. It sounds like the bargaining chips Senators would be sending Volchenkov/Cheechoo/Lee/1st Round/2nd Round.

http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com/2010/02/huge-deals-on-horizon.html

I am reluctant to give up our 1st. Atrain carries a lot of value in a deal. We would also be in the same boat as last year with too much money tied up in the front after all was said and done. Its a shame that Vinny's contract wasn't 2m less. TB is also in 8th spot and 1 pt behind 6th. I doubt they move Vinny until the off season.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Vinny to Ottawa?

I think our best shot at getting a big name forward is Ray Whitney. On defence, its gonna be Kubina. Though I'm secretly hoping its Visnovksy

Obviously, Bryan Murray disagrees if he's making pitches for the likes of Kovalchuk.

He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

Oh well, that was fun while it lasted then.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not necessarily. If the new owner comes in and wants the payroll down a bit, he might insist on smaller, good players coming back.

Well he does.

To my understanding, the new owner was convinced of how important Vinny is to the team and the city that the deal was that he paid less for the team to keep him there.

Vinny also supposedly likes TB and will not waive his NTC.

Sounds very unlikely that Vinny will be going anywhere.

So Koules said "OK buddy, I'll take a few million less so YOU can keep Vinny?". Generous.

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
So Koules said "OK buddy, I'll take a few million less so YOU can keep Vinny?". Generous.

That's what I heard and Buttman handled the sale so who knows how that works, the team didn't sell for a whole lot ....

Even so, Vinny has an NTC and doesn't want to leave TB so trading him isn't as easy as internet rumourmongers make it sound.

Can't see too many teams taking on such a contract, especially Ottawa.

I wonder if Eugene will ever take on a big long term contract with an NTC ever again, unless we sign the player to it with a "Dany Heatley clause" included.

ie.
Request a trade your NTC is forfeit.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:He was a pending UFA, and now he's gone. With Vinny's contract, how can the sens fit that unless they go on somewhat of a firesale? Whitney is the likeliest big name.

With Volchenkov and Cheechoo gone, it solves that problem for next year at least. Then your Centers are Lecavalier, Spezza, Fisher, Kelly... What do you think happens next?

It's actually pretty easy to fit Lecavalier in.

We win.

Hoags wrote:Even so, Vinny has an NTC and doesn't want to leave TB so trading him isn't as easy as internet rumourmongers make it sound.

How did the exact same thing work out for Danny Boyle?