Re: TRADE DEADLINE BONANZA!

by strachattack on Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:58 pm

Isn't it possible Cheech was waived (and inevitably demoted) to allow for the extra cap space Cullen, Lee and Smith bring with them? ie/ there's no other trade in the works now or on deadline day.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:01 pm

I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:02 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
No. Here's how it works.

A player gets put on waivers. He stays with the team; his salary stays with the team. Either he is picked up (and so no longer your concern), or he's not picked up. If he's not picked up, then you can either demote him or keep him with the team (you have something like a 30-day window to do this). If you demote him, he joins the minor league team and his salary comes off the cap books, although you have to keep paying his real dollars salary. If you don't demote him, then he stays with your team, salary and cap hit and all -- and it's as if he were never waived. To put a guy on re-entry, you have to waive him, have him clear, demote him, and then recall him.

I'd say there's a strong chance that the plan is to bury Cheechoo's cap hit, but until it happens, I don't want to speculate where we stand, cap-wise.

That first part where the player sticks around is something I definitely didn't realize. Thanks.

PS

Holy Dung, assign him to Bingo please.

I think it likely. With all these moves, the organization made a pretty clear announcement today that they believe in this team and want to go for it now. To clear that cap space, Melnyk has to eat the close to $1 mil remaining on Cheechoo's contract -- I did the math, the precise figure is about $913K -- a big figure, not no more than he ate last year on Gerber's. At the same time, Melnyk would also have to pay the salary of the new guy hypothetically coming in. So, all told, that means he has to spend about twice as much money to bury Cheechoo as to keep him.

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:07 pm

strachattack wrote:Isn't it possible Cheech was waived (and inevitably demoted) to allow for the extra cap space Cullen, Lee and Smith bring with them? ie/ there's no other trade in the works now or on deadline day.

As of this moment, with Cullen added and Cheechoo still on the books, we actually still have cap space (about $1.5 mil, prorated), so, no, I'd say that's not likely.

CapGeek just updated:

http://www.capgeek.com/tracker/team.php?Team=23

I think it highly probable that Cheechoo was waived with the intent of using that money to go after another defencemen, especially since they traded away Picard this morning, and know that Campoli is out for 4-6 weeks. I think OTT will for sure acquire a defencemen sometime before Mar. 3.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:11 pm

rooneypoo wrote:I think it highly probable that Cheechoo was waived with the intent of using that money to go after another defencemen, especially since they traded away Picard this morning, and know that Campoli is out for 4-6 weeks. I think OTT will for sure acquire a defencemen sometime before Mar. 3.

Or two?

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:11 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Am I the only one who things Foligno for Hamhuis is overpayment in a big way from us?

The second deal is a beauty, but I doubt Kuba waives to go to Edmonton.

by Guest on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:12 pm

I dont see how you can trade Lee anymore... he's going to be here the rest of the year for sure.

by Guest on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:13 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Am I the only one who things Foligno for Hamhuis is overpayment in a big way from us?

The second deal is a beauty, but I doubt Kuba waives to go to Edmonton.

the second deal also disrupts team chemistry and who knows what happens when that happens.

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:15 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:I think it highly probable that Cheechoo was waived with the intent of using that money to go after another defencemen, especially since they traded away Picard this morning, and know that Campoli is out for 4-6 weeks. I think OTT will for sure acquire a defencemen sometime before Mar. 3.

Or two?

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Do you even like anyone on the Ottawa Senator team you have?

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:16 pm

N4L wrote:I dont see how you can trade Lee anymore... he's going to be here the rest of the year for sure.

Yep. You're going to need someone to stand in while Campoli's out (hopefully, Karlsson is back right after the Olympics), and you're going to need a reliable spare even when Campoli's back.

That said, I can definitely see us trading a young forward for a solid D now.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:17 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Am I the only one who things Foligno for Hamhuis is overpayment in a big way from us?

The second deal is a beauty, but I doubt Kuba waives to go to Edmonton.

Hamhuis is a 21 minute defenseman in NSH. Besides, who needs Foligno when you have Fat Penner?

by Guest on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:18 pm

Im seriosuly stoked to see how Smith plays, I thought he had an amazing camp and should have been on the team over Lee to begin with. He's had a better season in Bingo and seems like he could get a strong look if he plays well, but we'll see.

A ton of depth right now, everywhere. Great situation for The Sens.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:19 pm

Oh, somehow SSF slipped Kelly by me in that trade proposal. I can't let him go SSF, he's blossomed into one of our best forwards under Clouston. Strong, defensive minded. Can't...

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:21 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:

Or two?

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Do you even like anyone on the Ottawa Senator team you have?

I like em all. But I like the team better and I think something like this makes us better. And I don't think the solution to improving is to offer other teams garbage and surplus players.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:23 pm

N4L wrote:Im seriosuly stoked to see how Smith plays, I thought he had an amazing camp and should have been on the team over Lee to begin with. He's had a better season in Bingo and seems like he could get a strong look if he plays well, but we'll see.

A ton of depth right now, everywhere. Great situation for The Sens.

Yeah, I loved Smith in the pre-season. He was great. Really happy for him. Apparently he pinches in awkward moments in Bingo, so he'll have to be aware here, but he'll be fine!

by strachattack on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:23 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
strachattack wrote:Isn't it possible Cheech was waived (and inevitably demoted) to allow for the extra cap space Cullen, Lee and Smith bring with them? ie/ there's no other trade in the works now or on deadline day.

As of this moment, with Cullen added and Cheechoo still on the books, we actually still have cap space (about $1.5 mil, prorated), so, no, I'd say that's not likely.

CapGeek just updated:

http://www.capgeek.com/tracker/team.php?Team=23

I think it highly probable that Cheechoo was waived with the intent of using that money to go after another defencemen, especially since they traded away Picard this morning, and know that Campoli is out for 4-6 weeks. I think OTT will for sure acquire a defencemen sometime before Mar. 3.

Interesting, ok... thanks for the info and your opinion. Even with Cheech waived the forward ranks look crowded. All the more reason for another deal to be made to shore up the defense.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:23 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, somehow SSF slipped Kelly by me in that trade proposal. I can't let him go SSF, he's blossomed into one of our best forwards under Clouston. Strong, defensive minded. Can't...

We just acquired a better player in Cullen. But I guess Kelly is better than Fat Penner. My mistake.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:23 pm

Much as I love that little monkey Shannon, he's the odd man out. Winchester is too good a checker to move.

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:24 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:

Or two?

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Do you even like anyone on the Ottawa Senator team you have?

I like em all. But I like the team better and I think something like this makes us better. And I don't think the solution to improving is to offer other teams garbage and surplus players.

But you do realize that it's this precise roster, with these precise players, who have come together to win us 13 of our last 14 games, and propel us into 1st in our division and top-10 in the league, right?

I'm advocating right along with you for one more D... but I don't want to move 5+ more players from our roster to do it.

Sometimes the grass really isn't greener on the other side.

by Urkie on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:24 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:Much as I love that little monkey Shannon, he's the odd man out. Winchester is too good a checker to move.

Agreed, he's the man on the hot seat I think. Shannon would be the guy that might get us a good 5th or 6th defenesmen.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:25 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:We just acquired a better player in Cullen. But I guess Kelly is better than Fat Penner. My mistake.

Here's the thing, we suffered through the last year and a half or whatever with Kelly doing not much. Now that we're winning, he's really valuable to us. He can save games left right and center the way he plays - and now he's on a shutdown line with Fisher and Alfie. When you lead in a game, Kelly's the guy you want. If you're constantly trailing, then he's useless.

Fat Penner is a nice player - and I think we can move to look at him in the summer, but now? I don't know Hoss...let's get that D-man.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:27 pm

rooneypoo wrote:But you do realize that it's this precise roster, with these precise players, who have come together to win us 13 of our last 14 games, and propel us into 1st in our division and top-10 in the league, right?

I'm advocating right along with you for one more D... but I don't want to move 5+ more players from our roster to do it.

Sometimes the grass really isn't greener on the other side.

It's also a very similar roster to the one that didn't make the playoffs and got bounced in the 1st round.

I agree about the grass. There are a lot more deals that I wouldn't make than there are deals I would make.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:30 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:We just acquired a better player in Cullen. But I guess Kelly is better than Fat Penner. My mistake.

Here's the thing, we suffered through the last year and a half or whatever with Kelly doing not much. Now that we're winning, he's really valuable to us. He can save games left right and center the way he plays - and now he's on a shutdown line with Fisher and Alfie. When you lead in a game, Kelly's the guy you want. If you're constantly trailing, then he's useless.

Fat Penner is a nice player - and I think we can move to look at him in the summer, but now? I don't know Hoss...let's get that D-man.

You have angered Hoss with your conservative, common-sense approach.

I really do see your point. I just have a more aggressive philosophy I guess.

by **SDH89** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:33 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Am I the only one who things Foligno for Hamhuis is overpayment in a big way from us?

The second deal is a beauty, but I doubt Kuba waives to go to Edmonton.

Huge overpayment, Hamhuis is a UFA at year's end. Why the hell would we risk losing Foligno for nothing???

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:34 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
You have angered Hoss with your conservative, common-sense approach.

I really do see your point. I just have a more aggressive philosophy I guess.

We're both pretty aggressive when it comes to trades. I just really want a D-man now and leave the forwards alone until the summer.

Can we please have Keith Ballard?

by **SDH89** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:36 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
You have angered Hoss with your conservative, common-sense approach.

I really do see your point. I just have a more aggressive philosophy I guess.

We're both pretty aggressive when it comes to trades. I just really want a D-man now and leave the forwards alone until the summer.

Can we please have Keith Ballard?

We wouldn't want Ballard around Leclaire.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:38 pm

http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

Ahhhhh!

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:39 pm

SDH89 wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:I think we can all agree that this means the following:

To NSH: Foligno and Lee
To OTT: Hamhuis

and

To EDM: Kuba, Kelly and Shannon
To OTT: Lubo and Fat Penner

Am I the only one who things Foligno for Hamhuis is overpayment in a big way from us?

The second deal is a beauty, but I doubt Kuba waives to go to Edmonton.

Huge overpayment, Hamhuis is a UFA at year's end. Why the hell would we risk losing Foligno for nothing???

Foligno is a RFA at the end of the year, and it's not clear we're going to have the money to sign everybody we want to keep from this year's roster.

The following is a list of UFA/RFA players OTT is going to have to deal with:

Volchenkov
Campoli
Regin
Foligno
Shannon
Cullen
Winchester

You also have to consider when the kids (Z. Smith, Lee, D. Smith, Cowen, etc.) are going to get a chance. It's possible that Foligno may not be in our long-term plans.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:39 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

How do you like your precious Kelly now?

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:40 pm

Okay Hoss, I could deal with Kelly going if we got Ballard.

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:40 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

How do you like your precious Kelly now?

See my last comment. Sarcasm

by **sens4win** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:41 pm

they have 20 minutes to make a deal am i right/?

by rooneypoo on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:42 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

Huh. That's an interesting one. Don't see why we'd need more forwards, or how you can move Lee when that leaves you short a D.

The (first, early) deadline comes in 18 minutes!

by **SpezDispenser** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:42 pm

sens4win wrote:they have 20 minutes to make a deal am i right/?

Yeah.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:43 pm

rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

Huh. That's an interesting one. Don't see why we'd need more forwards, or how you can move Lee when that leaves you short a D.

The (first, early) deadline comes in 18 minutes!

Isn't Ballard a D?

Thanks in advance.

by Bass Destruction on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:43 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
You have angered Hoss with your conservative, common-sense approach.

I really do see your point. I just have a more aggressive philosophy I guess.

We're both pretty aggressive when it comes to trades. I just really want a D-man now and leave the forwards alone until the summer.

Can we please have Keith Ballard?

What if the ducks were to put Boynton on re-entry... I would definitely pick him up then. He's a rightie, gritty, and has some playoff experience. And we would lose nothing.

by **sens4win** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:44 pm

SpezDispenser wrote:
sens4win wrote:they have 20 minutes to make a deal am i right/?

Yeah.

actually 16 now Ahhhhh!

by **SensFan71** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:45 pm

make it happen if you are going to, and yeah, Ballard is a D man.

by Urkie on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:46 pm

Bass Destruction wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
You have angered Hoss with your conservative, common-sense approach.

I really do see your point. I just have a more aggressive philosophy I guess.

We're both pretty aggressive when it comes to trades. I just really want a D-man now and leave the forwards alone until the summer.

Can we please have Keith Ballard?

What if the ducks were to put Boynton on re-entry... I would definitely pick him up then. He's a rightie, gritty, and has some playoff experience. And we would lose nothing.

This is a better idea imo..

Ballard is signed until 2015 or something like that at 4.2M. I think Murray better be careful here.

by **SeawaySensFan** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:46 pm

Bass Destruction wrote:

What if the ducks were to put Boynton on re-entry... I would definitely pick him up then. He's a rightie, gritty, and has some playoff experience. And we would lose nothing.

Without reading any details he's been referred to as a bit of a headache to deal with.

by strachattack on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:46 pm

SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

Huh. That's an interesting one. Don't see why we'd need more forwards, or how you can move Lee when that leaves you short a D.

The (first, early) deadline comes in 18 minutes!

Isn't Ballard a D?

Thanks in advance.

Isn't Ballard the guy who almost killed Vokoun by swinging his stick across his head? Is he worth Kelly and Lee? His numbers don't look all that hot.

by **sens4win** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:48 pm

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OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

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Huh. That\'s an interesting one. Don\'t see why we\'d need more forwards, or how you can move Lee when that leaves you short a D.

The (first, early) deadline comes in 18 minutes![/quote]

Isn\'t Ballard a D?

Thanks in advance.

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Isn\'t Ballard the guy who almost killed Vokoun by swinging his stick across his head? Is he worth Kelly and Lee? His numbers don\'t look all that hot.[/quote] Facepalm

by **sens4win** on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:48 pm

strachattack wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:http://twitter.com/gmsoffice

OTT looking real hard into Ballard..Kelly and Lee could be going the other way..OTT also trying to find another forward.

Huh. That's an interesting one. Don't see why we'd need more forwards, or how you can move Lee when that leaves you short a D.

The (first, early) deadline comes in 18 minutes!

Isn't Ballard a D?

Thanks in advance.

Isn't Ballard the guy who almost killed Vokoun by swinging his stick across his head? Is he worth Kelly and Lee? His numbers don't look all that hot.

if hese the guy him and leclaire will get along great it will be like a t-ball game out there