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16Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:39 pm

beerandsens


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SensGirl11 wrote:Seriously though, he might have an okay year in SJ, but I think his days of Eliteness are almost over for him. We got out of it right on time. He did us a favour. Now we have a young stud in Michalek, 4 years his junior, and a possible come back kid in Cheechoo. Even if Cheechoo doesn't get back to his old self, I'm still happy with the trade.

Apparently he's on the 2nd PP unit in SJ too. Too funny.

I think he'll be great offensively in SJ for at least a couple of years, but I still don't think he's going to be the guy that puts them over the top in the playoffs. I also agree that we're better with this trade depth-wise, future/cap-wise and that minor detail... having players who actually want to be here.

17Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:43 pm

shabbs


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SpezDispenser wrote:That's diddling ridiculous. I'm not saying anything against you Robby, but I don't believe that for a second.
Here is the only reference in the CBA that I can find that talks about a NMC being non-binding during a trade...

Snippet from CBA Section 11.8:

"If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof."

I can't find any mention of this applying when a player waives an existing no-trade/no-move clause. I'll continue looking...

18Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:09 pm

shabbs


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If you click the "digital" link for the upcoming article, you can get a preview of the magazine that let's you read the Heatley article. Here is the relevant piece that talks about his NTC not being valid in San Jose.

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Nice flexibility for Wilson and the Sharks if things go sour with Healtey. He can't hold them hostage with it like he did the Sens. Frig.

19Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:16 pm

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Still no proof positive from The Hockey News there.

20Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:18 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:When a player waives a NTC/NMC, either limited or full, the team acquiring the player has the right to rip it up, honour it or renegociate the terms.

That's diddling ridiculous. I'm not saying anything against you Robby, but I don't believe that for a second.

If that was the case and I was in Bryan Murray's shoes, I would strike a deal with SJ for our 1st round pick where they take Heatley and our 1st and then ship Heatley right back to us so the diddling NMC is null and void. Then I swear to God, I'd trade Heatley+ to Atlanta (if they'd take him) for Zach Bogosian.

I would do that and Diddle my reputation of other GMs are unhappy. Diddle you, Diddle Heatley, Diddle everyone involved. When a player demands a trade, his NTC/NMC should be null and void - and I'll figure a way to get around it.

Hey, if you've got Bogosian, Karlsson, Cowen, and Wiercioch patrolling the blueline, with Lehner in the crease; who gives a Dung about your reputation with other GMs!!

That is a bloody brilliant idea!

21Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:18 pm

shabbs

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SpezDispenser wrote:Still no proof positive from The Hockey News there.
Yeah... I'd like to see a reference to an NHL rule or something like I pointed out earlier for players that are traded before one kicks in.

22Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:24 pm

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shabbs wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:That's diddling ridiculous. I'm not saying anything against you Robby, but I don't believe that for a second.
Here is the only reference in the CBA that I can find that talks about a NMC being non-binding during a trade...

Snippet from CBA Section 11.8:

"If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof."

I can't find any mention of this applying when a player waives an existing no-trade/no-move clause. I'll continue looking...
I guess it comes down to interpretation. If those two sentences are mutually exclusive or not. I am not a lawyer so I assumed they were seperate statements.

23Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:28 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:When a player waives a NTC/NMC, either limited or full, the team acquiring the player has the right to rip it up, honour it or renegociate the terms.

That's diddling ridiculous. I'm not saying anything against you Robby, but I don't believe that for a second.

If that was the case and I was in Bryan Murray's shoes, I would strike a deal with SJ for our 1st round pick where they take Heatley and our 1st and then ship Heatley right back to us so the diddling NMC is null and void. Then I swear to God, I'd trade Heatley+ to Atlanta (if they'd take him) for Zach Bogosian.

I would do that and Diddle my reputation of other GMs are unhappy. Diddle you, Diddle Heatley, Diddle everyone involved. When a player demands a trade, his NTC/NMC should be null and void - and I'll figure a way to get around it.

That's a lot of Diddle.
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24Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:31 pm

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Gohan wrote:
Hey, if you've got Bogosian, Karlsson, Cowen, and Wiercioch patrolling the blueline, with Lehner in the crease; who gives a Dung about your reputation with other GMs!!

That is a bloody brilliant idea!

Not to mention that Bogo's a huge Sens fan. Diddle, I wish....

Thank goodness we got Michalek, seriously, or I'd be crapping tacks right now. Tantrum

25Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:31 pm

shabbs

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A Diddle load of Diddling.

26Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:59 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote: Thank goodness we got Michalek, seriously, or I'd be crapping tacks right now.

Who writes your material? All these weird poop jokes.
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27Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:01 pm

shabbs

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davetherave wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote: Thank goodness we got Michalek, seriously, or I'd be crapping tacks right now.

Who writes your material? All these weird poop jokes.
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Sounds like JizzDispenser needs more fiber in his diet.

Laughing3

28Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:14 pm

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RobbyJ wrote:When a player waives a NTC/NMC, either limited or full, the team acquiring the player has the right to rip it up, honour it or renegociate the terms.

That's only true if it had not taken into effect yet. i.e. if we had traded Spezza prior to July 1st, when his NTC kicked in, the acquiring team has the right to choose whether or not to honour it.

29Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:28 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
RobbyJ wrote:When a player waives a NTC/NMC, either limited or full, the team acquiring the player has the right to rip it up, honour it or renegociate the terms.

That's diddling ridiculous. I'm not saying anything against you Robby, but I don't believe that for a second.

If that was the case and I was in Bryan Murray's shoes, I would strike a deal with SJ for our 1st round pick where they take Heatley and our 1st and then ship Heatley right back to us so the diddling NMC is null and void. Then I swear to God, I'd trade Heatley+ to Atlanta (if they'd take him) for Zach Bogosian.

I would do that and Diddle my reputation of other GMs are unhappy. Diddle you, Diddle Heatley, Diddle everyone involved. When a player demands a trade, his NTC/NMC should be null and void - and I'll figure a way to get around it.

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30Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:33 pm

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Yeah, so from what I could find out, Heatley's NMC is still intact.

The only time a player loses his NMC is if he is moved (waivers or trade) prior to his NMC or NTC kicking in and his new team decides against it.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=121

31Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:35 pm

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M_Christopher wrote:Yeah, so from what I could find out, Heatley's NMC is still intact.

The only time a player loses his NMC is if he is moved (waivers or trade) prior to his NMC or NTC kicking in and his new team decides against it.

that makes the most sense, so whereever this generated from, it's someone talking through their a$$

32Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:37 pm

shabbs

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M_Christopher wrote:Yeah, so from what I could find out, Heatley's NMC is still intact.

The only time a player loses his NMC is if he is moved (waivers or trade) prior to his NMC or NTC kicking in and his new team decides against it.
So then let's call THN out on that one!

I'll send something their way... heh heh.

33Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? - Page 2 Empty Re: Heatley's NTC no longer valid in San Jose? on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:41 pm

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Well, it's not unthinkable that the Sharks could have made the deal conditionally; They would have told Heatley "we'll only do this deal if you agree to rip off the NTC from the contract"; essentially renegociating part of the agreement. I assume that Heatley would have accepted that since it's still beats having to play in Ottawa.

I'm not saying that's what happened but I think that could have happened.

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