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Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance

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davetherave


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wprager wrote:Well, another week, another drop in the attendance. I'll keep saying "Still early" until it's not anymore.

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 2010 attendance

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shabbs


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wprager wrote:Well, another week, another drop in the attendance. I'll keep saying "Still early" until it's not anymore.

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 2010%20attendance
HA HA! Love the scale...

Wink

wprager


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Don't give me grief about the scale. Originally I had the min set to 16,800. I expected the average to waver a bit around last year's average or slightly below -- it *did* start above the 2009 line.

You want to see a trend, you have to zoom in. Fact remains, it has been steadily dropping. The only good thing is that I'm pretty sure the average is dragged down by the likes of Florida and Phoenix -- those places give tickets away, so if the average is down by 1,000 (which looks like a very achievable number at this point) then it's not a shortfall of $150 x1,000, but more like $15 x 1,000. Still, even at such a low average ticket price, $15K multiplied by 6,632 games is still close to $100M.

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It's worth it to remember that the graph is not showing a wee-by-week average but the *cumulative* average.


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davetherave

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wprager wrote:Don't give me grief about the scale. Originally I had the min set to 16,800. I expected the average to waver a bit around last year's average or slightly below -- it *did* start above the 2009 line.

You want to see a trend, you have to zoom in. Fact remains, it has been steadily dropping. The only good thing is that I'm pretty sure the average is dragged down by the likes of Florida and Phoenix -- those places give tickets away, so if the average is down by 1,000 (which looks like a very achievable number at this point) then it's not a shortfall of $150 x1,000, but more like $15 x 1,000. Still, even at such a low average ticket price, $15K multiplied by 6,632 games is still close to $100M.

Add to that news, the news of a possible lockout in 2010-11.

Is the NHL done as we know it?

wprager

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NHL failing to fill seats:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Phoenix/2009/11/13/11741296-sun.html?cid=rsssportsslam! hockey

As half-full arenas become the norm on too many nights, hurting teams are getting aggressive in novel (and cheap) ways to get peole in the seats. The bargains are enough to make ticket buyers in Toronto sick. A tour around some of the more challenged teams revealed the following offers:

- In Tampa, try the Holiday Pack where $96 US gets you a pair of tickets for three games of your choice, an autographed Victor Hedman hat and a $10 food and beverage voucher.

- In Columbus, the Guys Night Out promotion gives you two tickets, two beers and two cheese coney dogs for a mere $60.

- In Anaheim, for select games fans can get two tickets, a pair of hot dogs and wash them down with two beers all for $41.

- Even in Detroit, the self-professed Hockey Town of the U.S., the Wings are all but giving away tickets again this season. Granted the economy is woeful in Motor City these days, but the Wings announced yesterday they will sell $9 tickets for selected games.

- The Coyotes have yet to get into the deep discounting yet, but for every win fans can turn in the ticket stub for a voucher for a future home game.


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davetherave

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Mr. Bettman responds to The Prager Investigation:

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Bettma10

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davetherave wrote:Mr. Bettman responds to The Prager Investigation:

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Bettma10

"Her boobs felt like this..."

davetherave

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More innovations from the League are on the way.

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Gary_b10

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davetherave wrote:Mr. Bettman responds to The Prager Investigation:

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Bettma10

Wow, I didn't realize I was *that* tall ... or he was that short.


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Another week, another drop. Hot on the news that Leafs@Sens failed to sell out, the average attendance is down another 105.

Edit: Actually I don't know if they sold out or not. There were close to 3,000 left the afternoon before the game so I'm just assuming.

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 2010%20attendance


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wprager wrote:
davetherave wrote:Mr. Bettman responds to The Prager Investigation:

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Bettma10

Wow, I didn't realize I was *that* tall ... or he was that short.

The question is, what is he trying to grab with his hands out stretched like that?!?!!?

shabbs

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wprager wrote:Another week, another drop. Hot on the news that Leafs@Sens failed to sell out, the average attendance is down another 105.

Edit: Actually I don't know if they sold out or not. There were close to 3,000 left the afternoon before the game so I'm just assuming.
They did not sell out, but it was close.

Attendance: 17,406 (94.1% full)

wprager

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Umm, actually that's not really close, it's nearly 6%. More than 1,000 short of a sellout. This isn't Carolina, it's the Leafs. These used to be automatic sellouts. I realize that both teams are not doing all that well, and that the BoO has fizzled out lately (although last night's game should freshen that up a bit), but this is Leafs Nation we're talking about. They are everywhere and they don't care about hockey so much as about the Leafs. Well it appears that this is now changing. How long before we hear that the ACC isn't sold out?


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davetherave

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Uncle Eugene responds to Prager's relentless digging for the facts.

Bettman: "Salary Cap will NOT go down next year"; and GMHockey investigates NHL attendance - Page 8 Melnyk11

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Silly guy doesn't know soccer is played with your feet.

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Do these numbers look right?

Tuesday night’s meeting between the Senators and the Toronto Maple Leafs — usually a slam dunk sellout — drew an announced crowd of 17,406 to Scotiabank Place, which has an official capacity of 19,153 but can hold up to 20,500.

I thought 18,500 or 18,200 was a sellout. My memory is fuzzy but I was pretty sure it was not over 19,000. And 20,500 has to be including standing room. Both inside and out.

Some more, interesting figures for the "sky is falling crowd":

According to attendance figures published in the Senators’ game notes, through 12 homes games this season, the Senators have attracted 217,808 fans for an average of 18,151 fans a game.

The Senators averaged 19,081 for the entire season last year meaning the Senators are down an average of 930 fans a game. It’s believed the NHL’s average ticket price is in the ballpark of $56 US, and it’s probably reasonable to assume the Senators’ is slightly more than that.

That would mean the dip is costing the Senators close to $56,000 a game. Projected over an entire season, that comes out to a loss in ticket revenue of $2.3 million US. The hit to the bottom line, of course, is much more than that since having almost 1,000 fans fewer at the rink means fewer cars parked, hot dogs eaten and beers consumed.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2009/11/18/11800831-sun.html


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davetherave

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Uncle Eugene reacts to Prager's post:

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