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PTFlea


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This is the litmus test.

Ev


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at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

wprager


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Who was Zaitsev payers with in Toronto? This guy played several years for CSKA Moscow. That's like playing for the Rangers. When they were good. You don't play for the top team (standings as well as prestige) unless you've shown something. Smith is a former D-man. Maybe he knows something that's not readily apparent to others.

PTFlea

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wprager wrote:Who was Zaitsev payers with in Toronto? This guy played several years for CSKA Moscow. That's like playing for the Rangers.  When they were good. You don't play for the top team (standings as well as prestige) unless you've shown something. Smith is a former D-man. Maybe he knows something that's not readily apparent to others.

When zaitsev was being misused it was Smith as defensive coach though. The word seems to be he can be salvaged, but not as a shutdown d as he was being used.

Like ceci...basically exactly

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Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked. If I was him I'd be glad to get out. I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

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PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked.  If I was him I'd be glad to get out.  I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

If you think ceci had it bad in Ottawa he’s about to meet his maker in TO

PTFlea

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked.  If I was him I'd be glad to get out.  I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

If you think ceci had it bad in Ottawa he’s about to meet his maker in TO

Yeah, I think he needs to get as far away from Toronto as humanly possible. Which should be an option, if not this summer, the next - or in the year when they can trade him. He can't survive in Toronto, it's not even funny actually, he'll get eaten alive.

It's too bad too, he needs to really work on the details of his game if he's ever to get better - and statistically he simply must to stay in the league - and he can't do that in Toronto.

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I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked.  If I was him I'd be glad to get out.  I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

If you think ceci had it bad in Ottawa he’s about to meet his maker in TO

Ceci won’t play a single minute for the Leafs in my opinion. I said it about two pages ago. It will go the way of Doug Wilson and Dubas will embarrass Dorion by flipping Ceci for actual useful picks, or if Ceci files for arbitration, the Leafs will walk away and Ceci can be a UFA and he can eventually retire when nobody wants him in the NHL.

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Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

I see that, yeah. Really hoping Dorion can get a 2nd as well though.

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Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

Brown is a good energy and role player. But it’s not enough to take on Zaitsev and help the Leafs sign Marner IMO.

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Lagoon wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked.  If I was him I'd be glad to get out.  I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

If you think ceci had it bad in Ottawa he’s about to meet his maker in TO

Ceci won’t play a single minute for the Leafs in my opinion. I said it about two pages ago. It will go the way of Doug Wilson and Dubas will embarrass Dorion by flipping Ceci for actual useful picks, or if Ceci files for arbitration, the Leafs will walk away and Ceci can be a UFA and he can eventually retire when nobody wants him in the NHL.

I don't see how that would be comparable to the Hoffman trade. It is irrelevant what Toronto does with CecI in my opinion. The sweetener they get will likely be better than any pick they get for Ceci

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Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

Brown is a good energy and role player. But it’s not enough to take on Zaitsev and help the Leafs sign Marner IMO.

Maybe not, but I didn't think Marner was about money unless I interpreted that incorrectly. I thought it was just term

PTFlea

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Lagoon wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
Ev wrote:at least I can finally stop hearing about ceci. Man, he wasn’t good but he was attacked way too harshly IM9

Was he ever attacked.  If I was him I'd be glad to get out.  I'd also be praying to get away from Toronto

If you think ceci had it bad in Ottawa he’s about to meet his maker in TO

Ceci won’t play a single minute for the Leafs in my opinion. I said it about two pages ago. It will go the way of Doug Wilson and Dubas will embarrass Dorion by flipping Ceci for actual useful picks, or if Ceci files for arbitration, the Leafs will walk away and Ceci can be a UFA and he can eventually retire when nobody wants him in the NHL.

a) are you allowed to trade a player coming off arbitration - if it goes to arb?

b) what kind of a pick are you getting for Cody Ceci - legitimate question.

c) he becomes a UFA and you clear the salary - although Condon should be going their way IMO, but still, you clear the salary and then what? You try to trade for a good D-man? You try to sign one (good luck there)? You promote a rookie into top 4 minutes? Risky, risky, risk. I get the trade from a Toronto POV, but they're looking terrible on the back end. A clown run organization for different reasons than Ottawa in that they have too much money and make stupid decisions - quite regularly.

PTFlea

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Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

Brown is a good energy and role player. But it’s not enough to take on Zaitsev and help the Leafs sign Marner IMO.

I would agree.  You need another prospect in there - a top 10 ranked Toronto prospect or a 2nd rounder.  I would stand firm on this if I was Dorion.  And I'd try to sneak Condon in there too.

I feel as if that's not gonna happen though. I think they get Brown and Zaitsev for Ceci's rights and Harper and that's that.

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Ev wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

Brown is a good energy and role player. But it’s not enough to take on Zaitsev and help the Leafs sign Marner IMO.

Maybe not, but I didn't think Marner was about money unless I interpreted that incorrectly. I thought it was just term

The Marner situation is about lots of things, cap room, money and term. Now that the Leafs have cap room, a clearer picture can assist in negotiating and compromise.

PTFlea

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Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Ev wrote:I’m warming up to the idea of Brown because Leafs fans are losing their Dung about him being traded lol

Brown is a good energy and role player. But it’s not enough to take on Zaitsev and help the Leafs sign Marner IMO.

Maybe not, but I didn't think Marner was about money unless I interpreted that incorrectly. I thought it was just term

The Marner situation is about lots of things, cap room, money and term. Now that the Leafs have cap room, a clearer picture can assist in negotiating and compromise.

I'd have to ask again - who are you replacing Zaitsev's over 20 minutes a game with? It's not cap space until the Leafs can answer that internally. That cap space is reserved for...Zaitsev's replacement.

PTFlea

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Or maybe they have a deal for Nylander for a D-man on the table. I guess we'll see. Certainly free agency and July 1st is always an interesting time in the NHL.

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